QQ pf ok fold??

[icheckcallu]

against 21/11 over measly 53 hands



SB: $18.60
Hero (BB): $25
UTG: $21.72
MP: $14.25
CO: $31.32
BTN: $29.48

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, <font color="red">SB raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.95</font>, BTN calls $3.70, <font color="red">SB raises to $18.50 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds

Results: $11.85 Pot

[bknollenberg]

call every single time. you have such a small sampling with him, you have no idea if he'd shove 88+, AQ, AJ, anything. more often than not this is AK because i think this move loses value if it's AA or KK, but snap call fist pump. also, given the money in the pot, that makes this even more of a snap call.

[Schiester]

I don't think people too often 4bet-shove a 3way-3bet pot pf with AK/JJ or worse.

I'm happy enough to fold this expecting to be behind more than enough for calling to be unprofitable against an unknown.

[icheckcallu]

btn is retardedly loose passive and will call raises when he calls pf.

[IAGTTAYM]

Call, we only need 35% equity and most villains shoves AK and JJ here so...

[Schiester]

I'm assuming we're ahead of button here but a 4bet shove pf is massive. Even if you KNOW he has AK you only have about 56% equity. If you're assuming he's doing this with worse hands than AA/KK you're giving heaps of value to him when he does have these hands.

I need good reads to call this. Totally understand that other people are different and thats fine.

A fair assumption at uSnl is that most standard players don't think about FE and are more concerned with their own cards than representing AA/KK to get you to fold a super-premium hand pf.

[Schiester]

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Call, we only need 35% equity and most villains shoves AK and JJ here so...

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Maybe I'm atypical but I only ALMONST ALWAYS shove AA/KK here (i.e. as villan). I think shoving QQ/JJ is spewey as you're only ever getting called by better / occasionally AK.

I agree that everyone is different but imo the standard naive uSNL player's pf 4betAI range is skewed like AA/KK&gt;&gt;AK&gt;QQ&gt;JJ&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;other.