Stars 4/180 - JJ in early position, facing the A on the flop

[Tackleberry]

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Here, I think that JJ is about equal to 33.

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Yep - this is a mighty argument. I have to get that ... thanks!

[BarryLyndon]

btw, sorry I made it sound like this was an easy question, it wasn't. It's actually a really good one.

Barry

[ZenMusician]

Bet flop OOP only with impetus, this is a c/f 99.9%

Also, listen to Barry: JJ=33 here!

-ZEN

[ArtMonkRules]

Grunch**

Just fold. You're out of position, you're probably beat, and you have plenty of time to find a situation much more favorable. Even if I had an idea of my opponent here, and I knew he was very loose and aggressive, I would probably still lay down, because you don't need to try to outplay him at this point... you're in a situation where you may win a little, or lose a lot if you try to get cute on this hand.

[Wish]

4/180 players love to min-reraise with big hands, especially AA and KK. The donkey thinking goes that they want to raise for value, but don't want to "scare you off." It's almost always worth calling a min-reraise, since villain has pretty much turned his hand face-up, and if you can beat a high pocket pair, the min-reraiser will pay you off really frequently.

[Pokerfarian]

Eeew, I know Barry has the most experience with minraisers but your giving way too much respect if you're saying JJ=33. I actually don't hate going broke on an undercard flop. I cant find a better plan than c/f on this flop though.

[Jetpilot86]

c/f is a very viable option here, but if you suspect he's bullying with the stack, hard read based on your description, lead into him like you have the tp or set with a probe bet and see what he does with it. Your utg raise represents big, and with you closing out the action trapping with AA here is something I'd try since I was oop and 1v1 vs raising him back and laying your cards on the table there (assuming you had AA).

If he raises you on the flop, it's an easy fold, if he calls, I'd put him on his own A, and if he folds, well pat yourself on the back. Either way you are forcing him to do something that will give you info to use later.

Finally, if your plan is to check the flop then c/f is the only option vs that board with your hand, and the lack of a read on him.

[hamnegger]

calling is out. raising is a bluff. i fold

[deepsquat]

c/f the flop.

Im very tempted to shove this pf after the minny r/r

Co's range of hands could be quite wide as big stack/in position.

[ChipSpeak]

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c/f the flop.

Im very tempted to shove this pf after the minny r/r

Co's range of hands could be quite wide as big stack/in position.

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You want to shove 45 bb's in there to see if indeed he does have 80% equity on our hand to win the 8 bb's in the pot? This is a huge overshove/spew, anything that calls us here is killing us.

It's not possible to range this move at these stakes, these players don't consider position/stacks reverse implied odds etc... only the two cards in front of them are being considered a high percentage of the time. This move screams AA,KK in smaller stakes, as Barry said, we have 33 here, play it that way... this is an clear c/f this deep, well played Tack.