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Old 03-18-2006, 10:45 PM
TommyChong TommyChong is offline
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Default TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

Not much in terms of reads. BB seemed a bit Laggy so I felt the flop RR was justified. When the second OC hit I figured I was behind. If UTG+1 had bet do I call the turn with the OESD? Comments on any streets welcome.

BB 66/33/1.22 after 15 hands
UTG+1 30/0/0.5 after 30 hands

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (6.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
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Old 03-18-2006, 10:54 PM
egocidal egocidal is offline
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

FLOP: I initially thought BB had a 9, and UTG had a Q. I like the flop raise to see where you are, but when you get two callers you have to slow down.

Turn: Checking through is ok here, if UTG+1 bets out I am folding.

River: I fold here. Im pretty certain, like you said, you are behind to an overpair, flush, straight, etc. Middle pair is no good.
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:11 PM
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

I like it, but then again I am tight-passive.

Yes, you call the turn bet... especially if BB calls. You would be getting 8.25 to 1 with 8 outs (8', K's and 2 T's) even if you discount the diamonds for the flush draw.
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:17 PM
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

Looks fine to me. One of them is bound to have a Q, 9, or flush.
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

Once UTG+1 has coldcalled on two straight streets, I think this is easy to check/fold. You may be ahead of one of these guys on the flop, but not both.

And it just keeps getting uglier after that.
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

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Yes, you call the turn bet... especially if BB calls. You would be getting 8.25 to 1 with 8 outs (8', K's and 2 T's) even if you discount the diamonds for the flush draw.

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Yea, I suppose this dictates a call if BB calls a UTG+1's bet. I just don't relish the idea.
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Old 03-19-2006, 12:15 AM
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

I would have bet/called on the turn, could make the river go differently. As played, no way you're good 1 in 7 here, nice fold.
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

good fold on the river. hands like this make me shake my fist at the poker gods because of the small pocket pair status of tens.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:34 AM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

If you raise the flop, then you should bet the turn. What makes you think an offsuit jack helped BB? And UTG+1 is a loose passive donk who may be calling with all sorts of things like a flush draw or K9.

The only way your line makes sense is if you beieve that UTG+1's coldcall indicates a weak queen (QT/Q8s) about as often as it means a flush draw.
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Old 03-19-2006, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: TT, pretty much uncertain everywhere

I like a turn bet, you may get a fold, and it is possible you are ahead. UTG could be on a draw or he could have a Q, but he looks passive. I think a turn bet, and check thru river is the way to go and you will likely get a free showdown.

The way you played it I would also fold the river.
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