Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

[jman220]

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A conclusion to this case has been reached and the player has been informed of our decision. While we can't share the details of the investigation with the community in general, we would be willing to share some findings with Mike Haven or some other respected mod.

Sean

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My post now changes from FTP froze my money to FTP STOLE my money.

I have been falsely accused, convicted and prosecuted without seeing a speck of evidence. FTP's decision is complete and final.

Please moderators, if you have any sense of fairness and a desire to be true to your community you need to contact me.

I have written each of you a letter and I hope to hear from you soon.

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Is there a reason you opted not to simply ctrl-c, ctrl-v, post? It takes less than two seconds.

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The fact that SillySal has not cut and pasted the email that she recieved from Full Tilt (which would have taken all of five seconds) does not speak well for her case, especially considering the fact that I pm'd her and suggested she do it (a pm which she ignored despite the fact that I got a read receipt). If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that FT called her out on whatever it was that she was doing in their email to her, and thats why she doesn't want to post it.

[imozyslow]

SillySal? more like GUiltySal, LOZLS AMIRITE>>!?

[MicroBob]

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(a pm which she ignored despite the fact that I got a read receipt)

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I was really hoping she was just away and was freaking out about this or was out getting drunk or something and that's why we hadn't heard from her with the FT e-mail.
But the read receipt you got certainly implies otherwise.

If so then there is every possibility of course that FT indeed did correctly catch someone doing something they weren't supposed to be doing and this wasn't some kind of a 'false-positive' so kudos to them for that I guess.
But they still handled this extremely badly and I don't think the ends justify all of the means in this situation.

[Johny Poker]

You guys are jumping the gun, she will respond shortly.

[Johny Poker]

FTP's terms of service state:
In the event that Full Tilt Poker deems that a player has engaged in fraudulent, unlawful, dishonest or improper activity while playing in our games or tournaments, including without limitation, engaging in any of the activities set forth above or any other game manipulation, or the making of any fraudulent payment, including without limitation, use of a stolen credit card or fraudulent chargeback or money laundering, Full Tilt Poker shall be entitled to take such action as it sees fit, including immediately blocking access to our games and tournaments, terminating the player’s Full Tilt Poker account, seizing all monies held in the relevant Full Tilt Poker "real money account", disclosing such information (including the identity of the player) to banks, credit card companies and/or any person or entity that has the legal right to such information, and/or taking legal action against such player.

So they can take your money and their decision is final? With no evidence? Or evidence that only they get to see? Who in their right mind would want to be subject to this? We want to see some evidence. I will never play on this joke of a site again.

[Josem]

"automated artificial intelligence software"

to clarify - that means a bot that actually allegedly played for sillysal, right?

it doesn't mean data mining while not playing, does it?

[Johny Poker]

Apparently data mining is allowed.

[jukofyork]

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"automated artificial intelligence software"

to clarify - that means a bot that actually allegedly played for sillysal, right?

it doesn't mean data mining while not playing, does it?

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What if it's not "automated", but instead a human uses some "AI software" to display a recommended action based on game theoretic solutions?

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[R*R]

Its pretty obvious that these sites can do whatever the [censored] they want. Look at Absolute.
They cheat, lie about it, and they are still pretty much business as usual. If a site can do this and continue operating with virtually no
visible harm, then all sites recognize that they can pretty much do anything they want without worry. Cheat, lie, steal.....pretty scary.

[MicroBob]

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You guys are jumping the gun, she will respond shortly.

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I'm glad to hear that Johny.
I'm still keeping an open-mind about the potential for a false-positive here and that she really is innocent.
I don't know her from adam but I also don't trust FT to be 100% infallible obviously.

I agree with you other post that it's inappropriate to do it in the way they do. But that's already been stated about a zillion times already.