Starting over: BR advice

[DonLigretto]

Hi

After a big tilt following a day of being three times the bubble boy in sats for 650$ entries on Star, I want to start over on FT and stop playing this big sats. I want to play the 45 and 180 people sngs and mix in maybe some SNGs. Since I can open a new account, I'll probably deposit 600$. So which limits would you propose? 8$ 180ppl, 10$ 45 ppl and 11$ regular sngs?

[hamnegger]

8$ 180

[levAA]

10/45 should not be a problem, for the 8/180s it's close, and for the regular $11 i would try to double the roll, while you can take shots of course.

i've built a big part of my roll also with the 45 and play now the 24/45 with a 3,8k roll and will start with the new 40/45 when i've reached 4k.

[BarryLyndon]

Don - you're game needs improvement and you need to post more (since you actually seem to have a willingness to learn). Starting over on FT with another BR will not solve your problem.

45 SNGs have a lot of variance and you should be careful with getting too involved with them. From my experience, there is a lot of pushbotting and luck involved. It's basically a turbo, but without antes, so even when you pushbot, you aren't picking up a lot of blinds. A weird hybrid.

I would stick with $10 SNGs and $10 tourneys. The 18 max $10s are easy and you can do well by them.

Barry

[levAA]

Barry,

I wouldn't classify the 45 SNGs as turbos. I even think that you can win there most with a very tight approach.
Of course the pushbotting starts after the first 6 to 7 levels, but I would settle it somewhere between the turbos and the regular tourneys with 15 or 20 minutes level-time. This is because the blind structure is much slower on FT than on PS - so you have 50/100 at level 6 and not like on PS at level 4. The second point is, that there is a lot of folks that play horrendous - also in the $24 buy-ins.

I've won several of these by playing only premiums in the first 6 levels and i remember 2 of them, where i was down at about 800 chips at level 6 and found an easy way back up again.

Reaching the FT is quite easy, with about 5k chips you will be there, and most of the FT are really really easy to play.

I commit that the luck-factor is for sure bigger than in a regular MTT, but if you don't have 3-4 hours time i can recommend these (last about 1 to 1,5 hours).

[DonLigretto]

Thanks for your replies. Barry, Why do you think the 45$s are like a turbo? Is the structure so bad? Obviously levAA had success that way.

A huge difference to before my tilt is, that I have PokerTracker now but I don't know really what this information about the players helps me or how I should use it. Is there some thread already about this? I haven't found anything...

[WJL]

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Thanks for your replies. Barry, Why do you think the 45$s are like a turbo? Is the structure so bad? Obviously levAA had success that way.

A huge difference to before my tilt is, that I have PokerTracker now but I don't know really what this information about the players helps me or how I should use it. Is there some thread already about this? I haven't found anything...

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Try this to start . . .

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

[BarryLyndon]

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Barry,

I wouldn't classify the 45 SNGs as turbos. I even think that you can win there most with a very tight approach.
Of course the pushbotting starts after the first 6 to 7 levels, but I would settle it somewhere between the turbos and the regular tourneys with 15 or 20 minutes level-time. This is because the blind structure is much slower on FT than on PS - so you have 50/100 at level 6 and not like on PS at level 4. The second point is, that there is a lot of folks that play horrendous - also in the $24 buy-ins.

I've won several of these by playing only premiums in the first 6 levels and i remember 2 of them, where i was down at about 800 chips at level 6 and found an easy way back up again.

Reaching the FT is quite easy, with about 5k chips you will be there, and most of the FT are really really easy to play.

I commit that the luck-factor is for sure bigger than in a regular MTT, but if you don't have 3-4 hours time i can recommend these (last about 1 to 1,5 hours).

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Agreed. I've only played about 5 of these. I won one of them and FTed only to lose AK v. 45c. If I double up there, I probably win two (I think I was 4/8 at the time). Anyway, FT's structure is nice, but the variance is still kinduv nasty at an 800 roll because you are eseentially playing an SNG pushbot fest 10 handed, meaning your preflop game has to be very strong. Perhaps yours is, Lev.

I PERSONALLY think that you should start with the 10/18s, because if you think the 10/45 is profitable, the 10/18s is like a christmas present. 4 out of 18 pay, it lasts about 1.5 hours (the 45s, btw, in my experience, last a little more than 2 hours), and the competition is awful. You can fire three of them up and if you win one of the, that's a $40 profit right there.

Anyway, I kinduv agree with Lev, maybe it's my small sample size, variance is kinduv a beast here.

Barry