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11-01-2007, 02:21 PM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
lol, nope, except preflop is okay.
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#3
11-01-2007, 02:35 PM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
brick - ?
i think his pf play is fine. i think the flop play is bad because we're rarely ahead, and a raise will fold out utg's worse hands (like if he's cbetting pocket pairs queens and lower or something, which doesn't seem super likely). that same raise will get us owned by both players' better hands, but then we call anyway(?), i guess because the pot is large and some percentage of the time when we hit another K or maybe a Q we'll be good. on the turn we hit one of our outs, but really only pull ahead of aq/aj. we're still crushed by aa/kk/ak/88 and at some point i would assume these other guys won't keep betting and raising without something approaching that level of strength, right? i would either lead out the turn or check/3bet it (which might be bad if it gets capped and the river blanks off - i'm not sure). i guess i don't find coldcalling to be awful but if the river blanks off, how much action can we safely put in? it leaves us not knowing where we are in the hand. on the river, we beat absolutely nothing (except 88), yet for some reason decide to lead out anyway? so i disagree with that play as well. only aces full or better will raise us, and we don't give worse hands (again, this isn't very likely) the chance to make a desperation bet/bluff or something.
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#5
11-01-2007, 06:43 PM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
Here's what was going through my head, you may disagree --
[ QUOTE ] i think the flop play is bad because we're rarely ahead, and a raise will fold out utg's worse hands (like if he's cbetting pocket pairs queens and lower or something, which doesn't seem super likely). [/ QUOTE ] The c/r was kind of laggy, but with the wide range of UTG's possible hands, I felt I was ahead of most of them. But I'm not sure what the superior action is. Bet flop? Most likley outcome is 1 or 2 calls or a raise, and then I don't know what this means. C/c flop and then c/f turn? I disagree that UTG couldn't have QQ/JJ/etc., because around here 90% of players c-bet the flop. I mean, he raised preflop, and the flop comes AKx, that's the perfect flop for him to bet everything! [ QUOTE ] i would either lead out the turn or check/3bet it (which might be bad if it gets capped and the river blanks off - i'm not sure). i guess i don't find coldcalling to be awful but if the river blanks off, how much action can we safely put in? it leaves us not knowing where we are in the hand. [/ QUOTE ] I really didn't want to see the turn get capped, and by just cold-calling I can judge UTG's action. I also mentioned the potential extra BB this way too. My plan was to c/r/fold almost every river. But then the Ace popped... [ QUOTE ] on the river, we beat absolutely nothing (except 88), yet for some reason decide to lead out anyway? so i disagree with that play as well. [/ QUOTE ] On the river, we are only beat by an Ace, and this looks pretty unlikely for button based on turn play. Turn play the most likely hands for button are Kx, 88 and AK. River I plan to check-call, so I felt betting was superior because we might get a crying call from 88 and might (big stretch) get a K to fold. So we're basically free-rolling. I'm basically representing some kind of Ace in this hand, maybe even A8. I agree that every postflop action seems kind of backwards, that's why I posted this hand with my thoughts.
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#6
11-01-2007, 08:55 PM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
If button is a "lose passive fish", does he really raise the turn without a K or an A? It's a protected pot; if he's bluffing, he has to get through you and the original raiser.
In this context, what does our river lead accomplish? Seems like we're splitting this most of the time and losing the remainder, though I suppose occasionally he'll have 88 here and will pay us off. Loose passive fish are not known for intelligent, bet-saving river folds for a single bet, so I don't see him folding a king, and since it sounds like you're giving him little possibility of holding an A, I suppose we're calling a raise? I guess I don't have enough confidence in our read of him to bet/fold, but that's what you are implying by leading. Cap'n, I enjoy reading your posts and think you have a great feel for the game (and reading your stuff always makes me curious to know if we've played together), so maybe your description of the button is missing some context or other important details?
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#7
11-02-2007, 12:06 AM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
[ QUOTE ]
Cap'n, I enjoy reading your posts and think you have a great feel for the game (and reading your stuff always makes me curious to know if we've played together), so maybe your description of the button is missing some context or other important details? [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, no, no other read or context. Basically the only hand I could put button on that has an Ace is AK, and I'm going to call, so it's better to bet. I don't have a problem bet folding rivers against most of the loose-passive Bay101 players, I did it twice today! Anyway, we may have played together, I don't know, but I pretty much only play at Bay101 between 11-3ish on weekdays.
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#8
11-02-2007, 12:11 AM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
[ QUOTE ]
but I pretty much only play at Bay101 between 11-3ish on weekdays. [/ QUOTE ] Night hours or day hours? I thought you had a day job. Either you're playing while you're supposed to be working, or you're staying up awfully late for work the next morning. Anyhow, I'm on hiatus until I finish my test next week Wednesday. I'll see if I can bump into you then. Garland
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#9
11-02-2007, 03:41 AM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
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I suppose occasionally he'll have 88 here and will pay us off. Loose passive fish are not known for intelligent, bet-saving river folds for a single bet, so I don't see him folding a king, [/ QUOTE ] LOL!!! Just how stupid do you think fish are???
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#10
11-02-2007, 04:24 AM
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Re: Does any street make sense?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I suppose occasionally he'll have 88 here and will pay us off. Loose passive fish are not known for intelligent, bet-saving river folds for a single bet, so I don't see him folding a king, [/ QUOTE ] LOL!!! Just how stupid do you think fish are??? [/ QUOTE ] i'm not saying i agree with the river bet but i see people call with 88 here all the time.
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