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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
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The latter is not just a minor inconvenience: it hints at the fact that a lot more shady things could be going on besides user 363. [/ QUOTE ] How dense do you have to be to gloss over this? AP claiming they have 0 hard drives is at least as scary as the superuser account itself. |
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
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The latter is not just a minor inconvenience: it hints at the fact that a lot more shady things could be going on besides user 363. [/ QUOTE ] Obviously, but that is all just speculation of potential cheating. Right now we have actual proof of cheating for at least $700k, that's obviously much worse than some shady practices for the time being. Yes, potentially this could lead to uncovering of more cheating for even more money. But all we know right now is that they delete old hand histories, which by itself doesn't mean there was more cheating going on. |
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
You've got it backwards. The burden of proof is on AP at this point. They need to prove to us that there WASN'T cheating before all this, or we should assume that there was. You'd be a [censored] fool not to.
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
Solid interview DD.
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
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The burden of proof is on AP at this point. They need to prove to us that there WASN'T cheating before all this, or we should assume that there was. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
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You've got it backwards. The burden of proof is on AP at this point. They need to prove to us that there WASN'T cheating before all this, or we should assume that there was. You'd be a [censored] fool not to. [/ QUOTE ] Wtf, this isn't right at all. I hate AP as much as the next guy but they are still innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact that they don't save their hand histories by itself is just more shady doings from Absolute, but hardly proof that cheating was going on before this. I do think there is a good chance that cheating WAS going on previous to this scandal, and the fact that they're deleting hand histories only adds to the suspicion, but it's still not enough to prove anything, period. |
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
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You've got it backwards. The burden of proof is on AP at this point. They need to prove to us that there WASN'T cheating before all this, or we should assume that there was. You'd be a [censored] fool not to. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly how it works in THE AMERICAN WAY. When you get an audit from the government for your suspicious tax reccords, it is up to YOU and only YOU to supply proper files in full. It is YOU who must make sure everything is legit, the reccords are correctly filed and up to date, and you did not try to defraud the government in any way. YOU get hit with tax evasion if you don't, it is as simple as that. YOU are under the heat and must prove your innocense to the max man, not the other way around. On the other hand, Mark Seif's THE AMERICAN WAY seems to have a much different meaning... But to his credit, he seems to be arguing about something different here. Anyhow, I don't doubt that the evidence has really been trashed and will never be seen again. Though on the other hand, if AP is forced to produce those files, or face a very long-term prison sentence, I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly we get a response of 'Ohhh, we forgot about something. There was a little hard drive stored up in John Doe's closet, which just happened to contain a backup of the backup that was lost. Phew!' |
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
Imagine a scenario whereby a professional poker player shills for an online poker site but has a very busy career and life and therefore allows an insider to pose as him online. The insider plays badly, then, in an effort to regain the pros reputation as a good player, goes into ‘god-mode’ and crushes the opponent. When confronted with that reality afterwards how would the pro react? Would he want the poker community to know that he allowed someone else to ‘put in his screen time' by playing under his name or would he try to cover for this and inadvertently get himself in deeper?
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
It's real simple.
You find out a bank is crooked, from the very top. For how long or for how much, nobody knows. They sure aren't telling. Turns out the bank has destroyed nearly all of its records. One day's 'insider trading data' has already been leaked, possibly by a whistleblower, possibly by accident. That day shows fraud of unimaginable scale. You are now expected to believe that the wilful destruction of the bank's other records is an unfortunate accident, that those records would prove the bank's complete innocence on every day the records don't exist for, and there is no way you should think it is a blatant cover-up of multiple, extensive, for-as-long-as-the-company-has-existed fraud. EDIT: I've watched them again, it's that good. Mr Seif, then Mr Druff, back-to-back. Sums it all up in 15 minutes flat. |
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Re: My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV
Druff-
Solid well thought out reply. I don't think you went too far nor were too light on the issues, and that's a delicate line to toe. Nicely done. |
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