Raise flop or turn with TPGK on draw heavy board HU

[One Outer]

I guess maybe I just suck at playing shorthanded. I thought I was doing it for value.

[KitCloudkicker]

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If you are 3 betting turn, are we folding to a cap? And if called, are we firing UI on the river or SD for free? Hairy situation without reads and being spazzy shorthanded.

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i told you 3 betting the turn would be very stupid.

[bestwestern]

After being check-raised twice it's not for value. I am not saying I don't like it - I would just do it for a free showdown UI.
Though I am not sure what kind of improvement I would require to VB river...
A straight obviously - Q also..

He will have to have QJ of spades or a set to put in a 4-bet I think...

[KitCloudkicker]

imo the only interesting part of this hand is what to do if we river 2 pair. call or raise

[kbdunn]

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i told you 3 betting the turn would be very stupid.

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my post was in response to one outer's earlier post, not yours, kit.

[bestwestern]

I think I should have waited til turn to raise..

As played I think raising turn and checking river is ok.
As it turned out I had 3Q+4J+3T+3 9s=13 outs

PokerRoom 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 5d Kc (two pair, kings and fives).
Hero has Qd Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins 11.25 BB. </font>

[Lethe]

I really don't think this is a spot to forgo raising the flop. You have a ton of equity and there's no guarantee that you'll make it up on the turn. I personally like getting the money in when I can. You played this hand fine.

[Grease]

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3bet now

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True and true.

I don't think it's very close.

[Grease]

I would hate 3-betting here for any reason (unless he's absolutely terrible.)

We can't make a free SD raise. We have lots of outs if he has two pair, and we have a gutshot if he has a straight or a set.

I call the turn. He probably has two pair, but we have outs if he does.

I could find a fold on the river UI if he never takes this line with only one pair. However, without a read, I call down.