[22$] AQ - Raise the Turn?

Niggel · #1 10-31-2007, 10:53 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t2000)
MP3 (t2000)
CO (t2000)
Hero (t1980)
SB (t1920)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t2000)
UTG+1 (t2100)
UTG+2 (t2000)
MP1 (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO raises to t160, Hero calls t160, 2 folds.

Flop: (t380) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t380) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets t220, Hero calls t220.

River: (t820) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets t430, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1250

No reads [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Should I raise the turn here? Don't know how to play against an unknown villian.

How often do you bet flops like this, when the PF Aggressor checks to you...

Is this a PF fold for some of oyu ?!? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

RexWoo · #2 10-31-2007, 11:04 AM

It looks fine against an unknown.

Fold preflop if he is any good.

sence25 · #3 10-31-2007, 11:37 AM

Very easy fold pf.

holy32 · #4 10-31-2007, 12:25 PM

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easy fold pf.

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If I do call pf, I play flop same, raise turn, fold river.

FishyMcFish · #5 10-31-2007, 12:26 PM

I don't see how this is a very easy fold pre-flop. With no reads on the CO he could easily be raising light so surely a call is a reasonable play and see how the hand develops?

holy32 · #6 10-31-2007, 12:29 PM

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I don't see how this is a very easy fold pre-flop. With no reads on the CO he could easily be raising light so surely a call is a reasonable play and see how the hand develops?

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You seem to be a MTTer. In SNGs we fold most non-premium hands early. The risk/reward ratio just doesn't make it worth a call (in SNGs).

FishyMcFish · #7 10-31-2007, 12:37 PM

So you wouldn't consider AQo a premium hand on the button after a potential steal raise from the CO?

You're right, I mainly prefer MTT but do enjoy SNG's and am trying to improve my theory. COuld you expand on your point as I just don't see how a fold is the right play in this situation!

Thanks.

w33ktight · #8 10-31-2007, 01:00 PM

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So you wouldn't consider AQo a premium hand on the button after a potential steal raise from the CO?

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Few players are going to risk 160 chips to steal 60 when the blinds are 20/40.

FishyMcFish · #9 10-31-2007, 01:11 PM

Is that the reasoning behind a fold then? Because 'most' people would be raising with a hand rather than taking a stealing?

I suppose a lot of these comes down to reads and without them it's all guesswork. I'd certainly be playing the hand though as a raise from that position is too suspicious. rest of hand I'd play same as OP did.

LeadbellyDan · #10 10-31-2007, 01:30 PM

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Is that the reasoning behind a fold then? Because 'most' people would be raising with a hand rather than taking a stealing?

I suppose a lot of these comes down to reads and without them it's all guesswork. I'd certainly be playing the hand though as a raise from that position is too suspicious. rest of hand I'd play same as OP did.

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The reason its a fold is that although a call is a profitable play in terms of chips, it involves too much variance.

The most important thing at the start of an SnG is to not bust out or lose a big chunk of your stack. We need our stack intact for the really profitable part of the game later on. So its best only to enter a hand early in the game when you know you have a strong edge in the pot.