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#11
10-30-2007, 01:03 AM
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Re: AA misplayed?
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calling his flop raise is fine. if he has 2 pair there's a lot of scare cards that can hit on the turn for him. but being that his turn bet was substantial on a blank turn card this is an easy fold. [/ QUOTE ] The reason that a flop 3bet may be better than you are getting better value for your money in general. You can't call and then fold turn... that just seems a bit too much like set mining with your aces. I'd rather spend another 14-15 to find out if I'm ahead now than find out I'm behind with my stack in the middle at showdown. You may have 3:1 pot odds but IMO you are way too far to call a shove. Some hands are just going to lose you money. Just don't lose it all every time you get AA. 
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#12
10-30-2007, 01:15 AM
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Re: AA misplayed?
so what if they call your flop 3bet as a slowplay? I would rather get to the turn a bit more cheaply here than you are suggesting. especially versus a somewhat loose-passive villain who will often tell you where they stand when they either bet turn weak or strong.
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#13
10-30-2007, 01:23 AM
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Re: AA misplayed?
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[ QUOTE ] If I'm playing well, I fold the flop. If I'm not, I play it the same way. [/ QUOTE ] um what explain this [/ QUOTE ] If I'm playing badly, my thought process is roughly this: AA IZ THE NUTS!!11! ALL IN! If I'm playing well, I will think something like this: This guy has a VPIP of 48; what is he calling with preflop? Well, probably any PP; any broadway, many SC maybe 54+, suited Aces, some suited one-gaps, some offsuit connectors and maybe some other suited trash like Q4s. It is unlikely he has a premium hand, as he just called. What will he raise with on the flop? Well, he probably isn't bluff raising with most of his hands, as he has a relatively low postflop aggression. I don't think he'll try any multi-street bluff with air, so he must have hit this flop somehow. What hands in his range could have hit this flop? We're still ahead of JJ/TT as well as any unlikely premium (KK-QQ or the last AA, which we chop with). He probably isn't raising with an underpair, but I think he'd raise with a set, or maybe 88 for the OESD. Many of the SC/one-gaps make two pair or a pair+OESD or a pair+GS, and we are only ahead of the pair+GS. I might be ahead now, but if all the money gets in now, I don't think I'll be ahead. Any card that isn't an A on the turn doesn't make my life easier and I still have a tough decision to make on the turn if he bets, as he most likely will. So I will fold. <font color="white"> LOL I'm weak-tight LDO </font>
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#14
10-30-2007, 01:30 AM
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Re: AA misplayed?
there are plenty more cards other than an ace you wouldn't mind seeing on this turn. any of the 12 cards that make 4 to a straight can likely slow down his betting if he has 2 pair or a set and there is a chance you can gain fold equity if villain checks or makes a weaksauce bet.
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#15
10-30-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: AA misplayed?
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there are plenty more cards other than an ace you wouldn't mind seeing on this turn. any of the 12 cards that make 4 to a straight can likely slow down his betting if he has 2 pair or a set and there is a chance you can gain fold equity if villain checks or makes a weaksauce bet. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you have any FE vs this villain, nor do I think he is the type to bluff cr on this flop. I would expect villain to lead any turn card.
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