Unconstitutional history

[ElliotR]

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How can you compare libertarians to liberals? Libertarians stand for freedom (to an extent) liberals stand for socialism..

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Sometimes, I weep for the English language.

[vulturesrow]

Coming from a rural background, let me just say that if this thread were a horse, I'd put it down.

[DblBarrelJ]

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You don’t see a huge problem with enslaving human beings? The American South was the greatest slavocracy ever known to human history.

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The greatest huh? Wow, I would bet Rome had more, and worse treated as well. Greece. South Africa. I can assure you, all these were worse.


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The South could hardly have been fighting on behalf of liberty and freedom.

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You don't know much about the civil war, do you?

[Money2Burn]

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If the federal government were ever to become the sole judge of the limits of its own powers through its own courts, then there would eventually be no limits to those powers and the Constitution would effectively become a dead letter.

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You are going to take advice on freedom and liberty from a rapist who owned his fellow human beings as slaves?

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LOL at using popular moral standards of today to attack the character of people who lived hundreds of years in the past.

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You don’t see a huge problem with enslaving human beings?

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I do. I also see a huge problem with invading other countries to force my morals on them.

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So your libertarianism trumps your views on slavery.

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The American South was the greatest slavocracy ever known to human history. The South could hardly have been fighting on behalf of liberty and freedom.

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None of that is relevant.

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Zoom! Right over your head. You cannot legitimately fight for your own liberty when you are willing to deny the same liberty to people whom you would rather enslave. As far as the South was concerned, you can fight for liberty just as long as doing so doesn’t upset your pocketbook.

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The same business you have here trolling. In fact, a lot more.

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Getting libertarians to actually think about and explain their views is trolling?

When I registered for this board, I didn’t see any disclaimer saying non-libertarians not allowed. I naturally thought that I would be allowed to participate. If you object to my presence and have the power to ban me, do so. Otherwise you are free to ignore me as I am about to do with you.

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The only people who are allowed to have opinions on politics are registered US voters?

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The only people whose opinions on politics actually matter are voters.

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Yes, I did in 1992, although I haven't lived there in 10 years. I never swore any oath, however I do also consider "swearing an oath" to require a verbal statement. It's certainly possible that I signed a contract to uphold the Constitution.

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1986, when I registered, was way before motor-voter and long-distant registration. I had to take a verbal oath to defend the U.S. Constitution- right hand an all.

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Shrug, I don't particularly care since I uphold the Constitution anyway. It's sad to see you violating that "oath" though. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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How have I violated my oath to defend the Constitution? Surely you are not so arrogant as to believe that merely disagreeing with your opinion violates the Constitution?

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"Then what business does he have to be here wasting our time with his opinions on politics?"

If his lack of registration is ideologically driven he certainly has more right to post than some of the hypocrites that proselytize here.

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I didn’t say that he doesn’t have a right to post. I said that he is wasting our time. You have little chance to change politics in this country if you willfully refuse to vote. This means that you have little chance of putting your opinions on politics into practice.

[DblBarrelJ]

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As far as the South was concerned, you can fight for liberty just as long as doing so doesn’t upset your pocketbook.

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The economic oppression of the South was one of the foremost reasons for the Civil war. I've discovered a pretty distinct pattern, in that people who see Lincoln as some great abolitionist, and the south as a large group of people willing to die for slavery, are generally a product of the inferior American public school system.

Schools competing in the free market teach the truth.