The hardest spot in micro stakes poker? JJ from the SB - Page 5

futuredoc85 · #41 10-27-2007, 07:34 PM

grunch, but id bet/fold flop and fire again if he flatcalls since he will call/fold with QQ/KK a lot and usually raise any hand he wants to stack with on the flop

Profish2285 · #42 10-27-2007, 07:39 PM

I would need some crazy read to double barrel here.

#43 10-27-2007, 07:41 PM

I would 3bet a little more, about 7$ from the blinds. Flop I bet/fold. It`s very unlikely that he will call with anything less than an ace.

takingcontrol · #44 10-27-2007, 08:09 PM

I like a 1/2 pot bet on the flop here. makes bluffs cheaper and when we have a hand we'll still get it in by the river.
i'm giving up on the turn against all but the worst players if called.
if turn goes check check I'll probably block for 1/3 of pot on the river, providing it blanked totally as we may get looked up by lower PP's here. unless I thought opponent was capable of bluff-raising, in which case i'd probably just c/f hoping to get to the river.

whyzze · #45 10-27-2007, 08:21 PM

i will check this flop with a flush draw all the time. worse that happens is a get a free card. Sometimes he takes a stab and then I shove, and if calls I have outs, then he tilts.

#46 10-28-2007, 03:58 AM

Flatcalling preflop against this villain is a huge mistake, we are so ahead of his range here. My stats lately are a little looser than villain, and you should see the crap I raise from CO (22+,Kxs,Qxs,offsuited connectors, any ace, any suited cards that is somehow connected). I think not raising is very bad. Btw, unless you have been 3betting villain fairly light, him calling with AQ is pretty bad.

LegendLength · #47 10-28-2007, 07:37 AM

I like a check on the flop. Bet / fold is really turning the JJ into a bluff (i.e. you may as well have 3bet with T5o and then bet / folded the flop).

yegon · #48 10-28-2007, 09:27 AM

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I like a check on the flop. Bet / fold is really turning the JJ into a bluff (i.e. you may as well have 3bet with T5o and then bet / folded the flop).

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if our 3bet pf gets called and an A hits I'd assume we are beat (without reads that villain calls 3bets light). So it's only a question of:

are we going to give up and c/f? Or are we taking a stab and try to make QQ,KK fold.

Sure we are bluffing with JJ but there is no other way to win the pot - we can not act like in WA/WB and call down to SD. If we can assume that villain is able to fold KK, QQ (which he should be) then we should cbet. If we have a read he is loose, floats in big pots, doesn't give up pairs with overcards on the flop then c/f would be best.

Profish2285 · #49 10-28-2007, 09:46 AM

To go back to the 3 betting JJ question. If villain folds most of the range we are ahead of when we 3 bet, then why would we do it? I understand that it narrows his range down so its easier to play against him, but assuming we are at least decent post flop, isnt flat calling a more profitable play? That is unless the villain calls 3 bets light, then its obviously much more profitable to keep 3 betting him.

yegon · #50 10-28-2007, 10:03 AM

- we are OOP
- there are 3 overcards that will make our life hard if any of them flops
- the pot is big enough to try to win it preflop

you can be a monster postflop player but what would you do with this hand if you just called pf? c/f on the flop? Seems like wasting a good hand to me.