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10-28-2007, 01:53 AM
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Re: Review of the heads up play
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I kind of figured you were doing that "turn the top card into a deuce" deal playing heads up. I just thought you were overdoing it [/ QUOTE ] DD peels a a lot of flops, yes. But I'm not sure if he thinks this way at all. He too experienced and balanced in his play. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't think AJo is a standard 4 bet hand preflop at all, against the range Joe was 3 betting me with. [/ QUOTE ] I think you’re giving Joe too much credit. Here are the hands Joe was 3-betting you with pre-flop: AA, KK, TT, 99, AK, AQo twice, AJo, A9o, A8o twice, A6s, KQo, QJ twice. Again, I see the cards, but you can infer this from frequency and showdowns. Your AJ with position is solid against his range and should be capped. Joe might be tight, but he’s not a statue. He knows how to 3-bet against your range, and you should respond with a 4-bet. Let’s put it this way: If AJo isn’t worth a 4-bet against Joe’s 3-bet OOP, then Joe is not 3-betting enough. This is certainly not the case. [/ QUOTE ] His non-cap is fine. He doesnt have a huge hand vs my range, likely 50/50 with the actual range you have listed here. He maybe able to play a monster (like KK) the same way to keep me off balance further on, I also know that he is capable of that and he knows I know he is capable of that. This is not 1st-level-blackjack-poker where "AJo is always a cap." ADDED: This also adds balance to his standard raise, as just calling could make 83s=AJo, that's huge. 
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#2
10-28-2007, 02:18 AM
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Re: Review of the heads up play
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His non-cap is fine. He doesnt have a huge hand vs my range, likely 50/50 with the actual range you have listed here. He maybe able to play a monster (like KK) the same way to keep me off balance further on, I also know that he is capable of that and he knows I know he is capable of that. This is not 1st-level-blackjack-poker where "AJo is always a cap." ADDED: This also adds balance to his standard raise, as just calling could make 83s=AJo, that's huge. [/ QUOTE ] Remember our discussion about the things we argue the most often mattering the least? I think this could be one of those times. It's not as clear cut as DD vastly overestimating your flop check-raising range. I never quite understood why so many players think the opponent is playing like themselves. You guys are so different. Congrats to the Red Sox by the way. I just wish the Rockies could make it somewhat entertaining. Garland
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#3
11-11-2007, 02:50 AM
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Re: Review of the heads up play
lol at the rake, nice vid though
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11-15-2007, 03:04 PM
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Re: Review of the heads up play
DeathDonkey,
What do you think of Joe's play? Joe, What do you think of DD's play? Also, did you tighten up a lot because of the huge rake at 2/4 or is this a decent representation of your HU game? Cheers guys, Bill
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11-15-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: Review of the heads up play
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Joe, What do you think of DD's play? Also, did you tighten up a lot because of the huge rake at 2/4 or is this a decent representation of your HU game? Cheers guys, Bill [/ QUOTE ] DD is a maniac, obv, but I can work w/my passive/aggressive style within his over-aggro to pull ahead in the long run, IMO. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] My HU game adjusts to the opponent but you make a valid point, you can see that we get clobbered at this limit by the rake.
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#6
11-15-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: Review of the heads up play
Hey Willy,
I think this matchup shows why HU limit is really intriguing. We have very different styles but both are winning HU limit players. Joe really is that tight! I probably should have tightened up a little due to rake concerns but felt he was too tight and I could almost profitably raise blind on the button (since I'm raising like 75% anyway). I definitely do not think I could beat Joe longterm at any rake level below maybe 10/20. That said, I think I can beat anyone I sit with [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -DeathDonkey
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#7
11-15-2007, 08:37 PM
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Re: Review of the heads up play
Thanks for the responses guys.
I play a lot of HU and just kept wondering why you weren't attacking him more DD. If I were playing against a guy that was playing Joe's style I'd have been c/r'ing lots of flops with air. I'm sure Joe would have adjusted to me but when I see guys that tight I feel quite fine pushing them out of that tight zone. Joe reads hands really well as evidenced throughout the video but I wonder how he'd do at reading hands if your hand range exploded...and it doesn't really take a lot to make your range 'seem to get really wide'. Joe, you made a comment or two during the video about there being no reason to get out of line on paired boards and mb on another board too. This I definitely disagree with. If you're not playing back with absolute air at least some of the time you're going to have a tough time with a decent opponent who is doing so. It's just the maths of the game. You won't flop a pair or a draw often enough to get by with this unless you can straight up value town the hell out of your opponent when you do hit something. There's plenty of money on the HU table attacking your opponent without a showdownable hand since he'll not have a showdownable hand so often. You guys are both smart players and I appreciate you posting the video. I really enjoyed it. Cheers, Bill
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