STTF SNG->cash thread

[Slim Pickens]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($165.25)
jb ($50.50)
UTG ($22.25)
MP ($67.60)
CO ($50)
Button ($50)

Preflop: jb is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $3.5</font>, jb...?


UTG is 45/24/4 55 hands
SB is 35/17/2 171 hands

I feel like my hand is probably good against both villains ranges (although SB hasn't 3-bet much at all) but I really hate this spot with the shorty still to act behind me.

General thoughts on situations like this, factors I should be considering, etc.?

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Well, the fact that SB hadn't 3-bet much means there's not much point in trying to isolate. UTG looks to be open-raising pretty wide and I tend to think if someone is opening wide but also open-limping a lot, they're 4-betting a smaller fraction of their raising hands. I actually like the cold-call, getting great implied odds against SB's likely overpair. You have to fold if UTG shoves though.

[wuwei]

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Villain is 49/1/1.24 in 121 hands and floats quite a bit, but doesn't appear to be a complete moran.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $149.20
SB: $112.40
BB: $136.80
UTG: $95.95
Hero (CO): $121.60

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($7.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, BB calls $5

River: ($17.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $24</font>, Hero calls $12

How's my line?

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I would usually bet the flop. Even though better hands are unlikely to fold and worse hands are unlikely to call (although in this case he might if he floats a lot) you still have a vulnerable hand that prolly benefits from villain folding.


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I also vote for a flop cbet. I think you protect your hand, get a little bit of value out of guys who call a lot of flops, and make the hand easier to play. If called on a dry flop like that, I put no more $ in unimproved.

[Scuba Chuck]

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Villain is 49/1/1.24 in 121 hands and floats quite a bit, but doesn't appear to be a complete moran.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $149.20
SB: $112.40
BB: $136.80
UTG: $95.95
Hero (CO): $121.60

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($7.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, BB calls $5

River: ($17.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $24</font>, Hero calls $12

How's my line?

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I would usually bet the flop. Even though better hands are unlikely to fold and worse hands are unlikely to call (although in this case he might if he floats a lot) you still have a vulnerable hand that prolly benefits from villain folding.


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I also vote for a flop cbet. I think you protect your hand, get a little bit of value out of guys who call a lot of flops, and make the hand easier to play. If called on a dry flop like that, I put no more $ in unimproved.

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Although this hand played out weird, here's why you should like the flop c'bet in position. Flop goes bet/call. Turn goes check/check. Whoala, you get to see the river. Too often you check behind flop, BB leads turn and then ur done.

[cha59]

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Villain is 49/1/1.24 in 121 hands and floats quite a bit, but doesn't appear to be a complete moran.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $149.20
SB: $112.40
BB: $136.80
UTG: $95.95
Hero (CO): $121.60

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($7.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, BB calls $5

River: ($17.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $24</font>, Hero calls $12

How's my line?

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I would usually bet the flop. Even though better hands are unlikely to fold and worse hands are unlikely to call (although in this case he might if he floats a lot) you still have a vulnerable hand that prolly benefits from villain folding.


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I also vote for a flop cbet. I think you protect your hand, get a little bit of value out of guys who call a lot of flops, and make the hand easier to play. If called on a dry flop like that, I put no more $ in unimproved.

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Although this hand played out weird, here's why you should like the flop c'bet in position. Flop goes bet/call. Turn goes check/check. Whoala, you get to see the river. Too often you check behind flop, BB leads turn and then ur done.

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Yeah, the position is key in that decision.

[dipstikdave]

villain has been at the table for just a few orbits, nothing out of the ordinary noted. is this a good spot to 2-barrel?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($49.50)
UTG ($49.25)
MP ($63.65)
Hero ($55.30)
SB ($76.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, BB calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>

[djj6835]

Dipstik,
Pretty standard double barrel.

[dipstikdave]

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Dipstik,
Pretty standard double barrel.

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thanks. what's the play on the river if checked to?

[djj6835]

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Dipstik,
Pretty standard double barrel.



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Probably checking behind most rivers that miss us. Maybe 3 barreling decent cards like a king although probably a bad idea against an unkown that still check called the ace turn. If he calls turn he's probably only folding a busted flush draw or straight draw on the river and we beat a lot of those hands anyways with j high. Only hands that beat us that I would realistically expect to fold a blank river is k or q high flush draws.

[Onyyn]

CO is 20/14 reg who's hand is never big enough on later streets.
Button is relative unknown, don't recall any reraises from him, only bets on checked streets. He's 19/9 at this point, 97 hands. Haven't seen him float a 2nd barrel prior to this:

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $542.10
BTN: $211.15
SB: $202.70
BB: $237.90
Hero (UTG): $215.15

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, CO calls $7, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Standard pfr with pocket pair. I only hate calls if I don't hit a set.

Flop: ($24) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $17</font>, CO calls $17, BTN calls $17

Yatzee! Set with a sweet flop that should've hit at least one of them. Oh, look - it hit them both! This is usually awesome, but then...no reraise, wtf. I really want it in on the flop.

Turn: ($75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $55</font>, CO calls $55, BTN calls $55

Okay, this turn hit the inside of the straight so it's somewhat less likely to have filled anyone's hand, although AJ is doing the happy dance (both of them would've played AJ this way, I think). Here I lead out knowing my hand just got weaker - the board is scary as hell, so someone better wake up and raise me and tell me I'm in trouble (I'll still get it in here vs one of them, if I get reraise/call I'm out). When they BOTH call I'm probably done with the hand if the river sucks. Lo and behold...

River: ($240) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $48</font>

The river sucks. At this point, Mr.MUBS in CO is still in the hand so when Button bets I'm 90% sure I'm beat in at least one spot. I really don't know what to do here, and as an acknowledged P.O.W. it absolutely kills me to lay down a bluffcatcher getting 5:1 when he could've had KT,KQ, plus approximately 427 other hands, but I'm pinched if floyd either got there or was already there, and then I'm going to want to kill kittens if I have to fold to a check/shove with $88 left in what would be ~$500 pot.

How much does this suck?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

I tried 6 max for the 1st time tonight. Villain was 64/4/0/50hnds. Did I play correctly?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($22.90)
Hero ($26.45)
UTG ($24.25)
MP ($25.80)
Button ($11.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

River: ($10.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $17.65</font>, Hero calls $4.65.

Final Pot: $45.80