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10-26-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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Check/call is the worst possible line on the river. I like a value bet of around 60% pot, and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] I think you would get more folds from villain using a shove on the river - hero has around 60BB behind and the pot is at 75+BB and villain would be wondering why we didn't put it all in ("maybe my hand _is_ good") That is, if you plan on calling a raise anyway and putting it all-in, why not push and get some possible better hands to fold? 
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#2
10-26-2007, 01:45 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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[ QUOTE ] Check/call is the worst possible line on the river. I like a value bet of around 60% pot, and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] I think you would get more folds from villain using a shove on the river - hero has around 60BB behind and the pot is at 75+BB and villain would be wondering why we didn't put it all in ("maybe my hand _is_ good") That is, if you plan on calling a raise anyway and putting it all-in, why not push and get some possible better hands to fold? [/ QUOTE ] lol at getting a better hand to fold. if we shove its for value only. in the moment i probably just shove but I think villian folds hands to a shove that he calls w/ to a bet like $35 or so, so i like bet small and crying call if he shoves.
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#3
10-26-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Check/call is the worst possible line on the river. I like a value bet of around 60% pot, and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] I think you would get more folds from villain using a shove on the river - hero has around 60BB behind and the pot is at 75+BB and villain would be wondering why we didn't put it all in ("maybe my hand _is_ good") That is, if you plan on calling a raise anyway and putting it all-in, why not push and get some possible better hands to fold? [/ QUOTE ] lol at getting a better hand to fold. if we shove its for value only. in the moment i probably just shove but I think villian folds hands to a shove that he calls w/ to a bet like $35 or so, so i like bet small and crying call if he shoves. [/ QUOTE ] That's a benefit of the shove, not the reason. I was saying that in response to the check/call option and you could get an over set or a straight to fold on this obviously scary board. So sucket trebeck.
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#5
10-26-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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i'm all for the c/c route. i don't want to fold this hand and villian will bluff at this card a lot. [/ QUOTE ] What exactly would he be bluffing with? Do people think about hand ranges before saying "check to induce bluff?"
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10-26-2007, 02:54 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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You have to bet more on each street fwiw. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously? 9 into 11 and 23 into 29? River: Jam says Jam so Jam.
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#8
10-26-2007, 10:19 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
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[ QUOTE ] i'm all for the c/c route. i don't want to fold this hand and villian will bluff at this card a lot. [/ QUOTE ] What exactly would he be bluffing with? Do people think about hand ranges before saying "check to induce bluff?" [/ QUOTE ] A nine could have stuck around and maybe a reluctant ten who called turn hoping we were bluffing the ace (which is never calling the river) and two pair or better raises flop so to maybe call with a hand we have beat he would have to have spiked aces up (and not have raised turn...) or queens up and is willing to call a river shove on that board - pretty optimistic. I honestly think all plays r very close as he has 3 hands IMO, a nine, maybe aces up or maayybe queens up or a flush draw, seeing as both aces up and queens up r unlikely (both to have been spiked and in flat calling aces up on turn) and that a flush draw is a much bigger part of his range, I c/f, I dont expect villain to shove a busted nine too too often with less than a psb left (btw thats what is induced to shove). Also, if i am going for value I prefer betting smaller and reluctantly calling a shove because a shove is almost always a flush and a smaller bet could be a thin value bet with a weaker two pair than a10, but i still prefer c/f, doubt i would have in the moment though. O ya, and def bet more on flop (10) and turn (25-26)
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#10
10-27-2007, 01:52 PM
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Re: Value bet flushy river w/set?
i don't think there's a question of whether to bet or check this river. the question is should we bet like 1/2-2/3 our remaining stack or just shove. thoughts?
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