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#333
10-25-2007, 05:44 PM
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Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
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AP Support Guy says (10:59 PM): due to the difficulty with storing all those data, we do not keep anything more than 2 months [/ QUOTE ] Then how is AP ever going to accurately reimburse players for the money they have lost to insider cheating that has perhaps been going on since hand history #1? RC 
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#334
10-25-2007, 05:47 PM
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Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
FWIW, I know some people aren't going to believe the HHs don't exist anymore for Seif-gate. However, the story from AP support that they don't have the hand history from 2006 fits what I've been told before.
Basically I had a partial tournament HH on my local hard drive and wanted to retrieve the rest of my hands. With the partial HH I had access to the tourney ID and some hands from the tourney -- so it was possible to easily identify the tournament, date, etc. Unfortunately, it was about 2.5 months after the tourney when I finally got around for asking for the rest of the history. After going a few rounds with the support staff, the final answer was they didn't keep the hand histories that long. So, I wouldn't try to read anything into the inability to retrieve the Feb 2006 hand histories from Seif-gate other than the sillyness in purging hand histories so quickly. I can only hope that in the interest of future audits and such that they'll keep the hand histories longer in the future. Jeff
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#335
10-25-2007, 05:47 PM
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Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
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[ QUOTE ] AP Support Guy says (10:59 PM): due to the difficulty with storing all those data, we do not keep anything more than 2 months [/ QUOTE ] Then how is AP ever going to accurately reimburse players for the money they have lost to insider cheating that has perhaps been going on since hand history #1? RC [/ QUOTE ] Screw hand 1....2 months doesnt even cover the suspected start of the cheating(at least that can be proven)
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#337
10-25-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
The best thing Mark Seif could do now for his reputation is walk away from AP. I don't think he is involved but why in the world would he want to hang around and be associated with these fraudsters?
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#338
10-25-2007, 05:53 PM
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The best thing Mark Seif could do now for his reputation is walk away from AP. I don't think he is involved but why in the world would he want to hang around and be associated with these fraudsters? [/ QUOTE ] $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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#339
10-25-2007, 05:53 PM
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Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
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FWIW, I know some people aren't going to believe the HHs don't exist anymore for Seif-gate. However, the story from AP support that they don't have the hand history from 2006 fits what I've been told before. Basically I had a partial tournament HH on my local hard drive and wanted to retrieve the rest of my hands. With the partial HH I had access to the tourney ID and some hands from the tourney -- so it was possible to easily identify the tournament, date, etc. Unfortunately, it was about 2.5 months after the tourney when I finally got around for asking for the rest of the history. After going a few rounds with the support staff, the final answer was they didn't keep the hand histories that long. So, I wouldn't try to read anything into the inability to retrieve the Feb 2006 hand histories from Seif-gate other than the sillyness in purging hand histories so quickly. I can only hope that in the interest of future audits and such that they'll keep the hand histories longer in the future. Jeff [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, "sillyness" describes it perfectly. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] C'mon guys. There is no valid reason to purge the data that quickly. I don't understand all this benefit of the doubt that we're giving AP. They have brazenly lied to us all along; they are still brazenly lying to us. They don't deserve one iota of benefit of the doubt whatsoever.
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#340
10-25-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
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[ QUOTE ] Unfortunately, knowledge of this scandal isn't exactly reaching as much of the poker community as we had hoped. [/ QUOTE ] Nearly every day of the fall poker classic at canterbury, I somehow ended up talking about AP at the tables -- usually by other people bringing it up. I think it's a sort of underground movement that will gradually spread its way across the entire poker playing community. [/ QUOTE ] I have not seen any PPA statement or email about the AP news. Is it too early? If I missed a thread, please point it out.
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