Continuation bet and turn )

[hihimichelle]

btw, i'm mostly wondering, because i just had two hands when i was on semi tilt which doesn't happen very often. I had TT and JJ in the space of ten hands. Both times the players tried to fire me off it on the turn - when an overcard card came a K and they could have made their hand. I was very close to folding and both times, their aggression, almost won them the hand. Well, i'd usually always fold in this situation, if i wasn't on tilt, i'd just put them on AK, KQ, QQ-AA maybe etc but maybe i'm being too passive and weak on the turn and river.

I knew they were aggression post flop, so i just went with it. That's what got me thinking though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]overall, i'd probably show a better EV if i was willing to be more aggressive on turn and river. Even if i do get 1.6 and 1.7 for turn/river aggression on PT which is around neutral. Myabe i should look for 2-3 ) ahh sorry just edited while i'm playing. laters.

[redlotus]

The age old "is he floating me" question. I've never really seen a good answer on this one, even though I'm sure that a lot of people run into this situation.

Normally, I'll fold in these situations, but I'm kind of a nit. So I'm not much help here. One thing you might try if you are OOP is to CR-AI on the turn. The few times I've tried it, the donk folds and doesn't bother trying to float me again. This is a risky move, though. You also have to be careful of the "flush bunnies." They may be calling you just because they have four to a flush, so I wouldn't recommend this move when there is three to a flush on the board at the turn.

You can also use their aggression to your advantage. If you actually hit the turn (or flop for that matter), just C/R OOP or 1/2PSB if IP (they usually see this as a sign of weakness and move in). Just remember to mix up your play by doing this some of the times when you hit and some of the times you miss.

HTH and I look forward to seeing other peoples' responses on this.

-red

[hihimichelle]

yeah red, i think this is the ultimate question of how good you are. How many times you can get in right out of one hundred say. Anyone can play tight, raise the right hands, play position, make continuation bets, know pot odds, push all in with monsters, slow play and defend made hands to draws/flushes,. What determines the poor/average players like myself and the good players is this type of flop play when u've missed. I remember watching William Thorsen in a tourney and i've never seen such a good flop player. He was just getting it right 90% of time, knew exactly where he was. Even calling some players down with Ahigh which was funny and getting it right.

Its very complex, even reading the player. His holding, how aggressive is he? can you take him off it, is he a calling station. Your getting into some serious probability and overall EV which is way beyond my pea size brain ahah. lol i've only been playing six months but i'd hoped it would have started to kick it. But is hasn't ahahh. This marginal jazz has got my head in a spin lol.

[tarheeljks]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...p;vc=1&nt=3

[hihimichelle]

K thanks alot red and tar. I'll give that thread a reading [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] marginal jazz.

[Nairb]

It depends on the player and the situation whether to fire a second, or even third bullet at the pot. If you put your opponent on a draw and he has shown the ability to lay down a hand after a significant investment then I will fire on the turn and the river if no card comes that completes the draw I have put him on. With no reads and my c-bet gets called by an unknown it is a bit trickier and a case by case decision.

It shows the importance of having somewhat of a read on your opponent. You can never bluff a calling station and most low level maniacs will chase a small flush or str8 unitil they go broke. Makes it kinda hard to fire that second and third bullett when your opponent does not have a solid grasp of the long term ev aspect of poker.