Flop blind defense spot

[SteveL91]

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Well this is a very standard 3-bet preflop, so you shouldn't really have a decision like this.

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I don't think it is and I don't think it should be. If you're regularly 3betting this hand from the BB against a button opener, you're going to get tortured by anyone competent. You're either going to be in far more capped pots, or flat-out abused post-flop when you completely miss and his hand range hasn't been defined in any appreciable way because he just called PF. Either way, you're left in a decent sized to big pot, where you're going to end up making more mistakes than the other guy.

If it shows a profit for you, then maybe it works for you and you've found a way to make it profitable. But, I think you're going to find it's a crappy spot more often than not.

To address the OP: I used to be of the mindset that a c/r here was rather pointless, since you're at least getting called down by better hands while folding out worse hands. However, I'm starting to think there's more value in getting people to fold their 6+ out hands that they would play differently if they knew your holding.

Basically, if it's someone who plays honestly and you have control over, I don't see a problem with a more aggressive line; against someone who just won't let you get off that easily, I think my default would be to c/c if I wanted to showdown UI. But, this is a spot that I'm still debating myself.

[lippy]

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Well this is a very standard 3-bet preflop, so you shouldn't really have a decision like this.

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I don't think it is and I don't think it should be. If you're regularly 3betting this hand from the BB against a button opener, you're going to get tortured by anyone competent. You're either going to be in far more capped pots, or flat-out abused post-flop when you completely miss and his hand range hasn't been defined in any appreciable way because he just called PF. Either way, you're left in a decent sized to big pot, where you're going to end up making more mistakes than the other guy.

If it shows a profit for you, then maybe it works for you and you've found a way to make it profitable. But, I think you're going to find it's a crappy spot more often than not.

To address the OP: I used to be of the mindset that a c/r here was rather pointless, since you're at least getting called down by better hands while folding out worse hands. However, I'm starting to think there's more value in getting people to fold their 6+ out hands that they would play differently if they knew your holding.

Basically, if it's someone who plays honestly and you have control over, I don't see a problem with a more aggressive line; against someone who just won't let you get off that easily, I think my default would be to c/c if I wanted to showdown UI. But, this is a spot that I'm still debating myself.

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It's like you think I would only raise A9o from the BB. Yeah, I raise Aces as well...

Stox on this type of situation, "when defending from the big blind, you should often three-bet hands that figure to be best. Alternately, you can call and check raise a lot of flops with hands that benefit from getting folds, specifically smaller pairs and ace-high hands."