88 in EP weird stack etc etc

[djk123]

sorry i lied it's like 80 with 75 antes, but i'd still push since its 125

[betgo]

You are right. It is significantly cEV+, but I think raising works better than pushing 15xBB UTG.

[DJ Pattiecake]

djk you choose shove every time

[Mench]

raise/call but fold to any real nits.

[Todd Terry]

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djk you choose shove every time

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So do I, shove.

[getballed]

Raise to 3600 and fold to shove from nits

[Caldarooni]

Can something be cEV+ and still be bad poker?

[Exitonly]

i'm pretty sure i just fold.

i'm fine passing up +80 chips at 600/1200/125

[jcm4ccc]

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Can something be cEV+ and still be bad poker?

[/ QUOTE ] I think so. A push is slightly +cEV. But if you assume a calling range from your opponents of 99+, AQ+, then here is how it breaks out:

67% of the time you will steal the blinds: total 21667 chips
12% of the time you will double up plus a bit more: let's say it's 39000 chips
21% of the time you bust out: 0 chips

So is the 200 chip gain worth the fact that 21% of the time you bust out? Maybe if you really suck at poker.

A push from the SB that has the same chip gain is much better, because you are busting out only 5% of the time or less. You can make those pushes all night long (and there is plenty of time, given the stack sizes, to make those kind of pushes). But you make 2 or 3 of these UTG marginal gain pushes, and you'll be gone pretty quick.