TT vs. WhoooooohKid

Todd Terry · #1 10-24-2007, 09:48 PM

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Agreed, before you do, type in, "According to Baltostar, I'm risking 500, not 300, by making this call", and you'll probably put him on tilt.

eBo · #2 10-24-2007, 10:00 PM

If we're calling for set value, I think it's a -EV play because his stack isn't big enough.

Pudge714 · #3 10-24-2007, 10:03 PM

eBo you aren't calling for set value.

the alex · #4 10-24-2007, 10:15 PM

You're calling to CRAI a sh*tload of flops. The objective behind calling is that it's extremely likely that he isn't raise/folding from that seat this early. Without antes, I'll give Bakes the credit that he isn't bluffing UTG here. You counter that by cutting the hand in half and only letting him see 3 cards.

eBo · #5 10-24-2007, 10:31 PM

Good point, but if we're gonna c/r on raggy flops and hope he will laydown AQ+, then isn't it better to push PF?

the alex · #6 10-24-2007, 10:37 PM

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Good point, but if we're gonna c/r on raggy flops and hope he will laydown AQ+, then isn't it better to push PF?

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But you give yourself a shot to win the pot with the worst hand maximizing the pot when you make the move.

Eagles · #7 10-24-2007, 10:42 PM

Ebo,
Your 45bbs deep Bakes can raise a lot wider than 88+ AQ UTG here. You call PF because your getting like 3.5:1 so you can call with basically any decent hand and your probably pretty close to ahead of Bakes range.
3betting is really bad because you have a strong hand but are repping a much stronger hand than what you have so bakes will fold most worse hands and call most better hands.

DJ Pattiecake · #8 10-25-2007, 12:08 AM

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Good point, but if we're gonna c/r on raggy flops and hope he will laydown AQ+, then isn't it better to push PF?

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But you give yourself a shot to win the pot with the worst hand maximizing the pot when you make the move.

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i'm sorry but when will you EVER win this pot with the worst hand?

g-p · #9 10-25-2007, 02:00 AM

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If we're calling for set value, I think it's a -EV play because his stack isn't big enough.

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lol?

baltostar · #10 10-24-2007, 11:17 PM

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Agreed, before you do, type in, "According to Baltostar, I'm risking 500, not 300, by making this call", and you'll probably put him on tilt.

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Forced bets don't involve a player decision. So here the only useful implied odds given calc is 4290/300 = 14.5:1.

With villain's M and UTG raise I'd figure the implied odds required at about 7.5:1 * 3:2 = 11.25:1

So it's a good call for set value alone.