2/4 online QQ bet river?

threeducks · #1 10-23-2007, 04:10 PM

Bet the river here?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Lethe · #2 10-23-2007, 04:16 PM

Meh. I'm fine w/ a check behind here without a read. We're beating 99/TT/JJ here and are probably losing the hand a large portion of the time.

numbnuts007 · #3 10-23-2007, 04:21 PM

with no reads a check is good. you will get called by a winning hand more than you will a losing one.

threeducks · #4 10-23-2007, 04:24 PM

Sklansky's rule for betting the river last to act is it is correct if you win 55% when you are called. Ed Miller's rule might be a little different since you sometimes will get called with lots of hands.

Here we expect that when called we will not win 55% - that is my take, and that is why I checked - thanks

James. · #5 10-23-2007, 05:34 PM

i would check the river.

One Outer · #6 10-23-2007, 06:49 PM

uber-Standard

Mitke · #7 10-24-2007, 07:27 AM

* grunch *

Without reads I probably wouldn't bet. Ax is a big part of HJ open-raiser's range I think.

threeducks · #8 10-24-2007, 01:15 PM

Barry Tanenbaum wrote an article on value betting the river.

I know that this is a weakness of mine and I often get the river play wrong. I seem to bet when I should check and seem to check when I should bet. This is an ongoing struggle of mine.

Sklansky's 55% rule last to act might apply to other games than the ones that I play.

As a general rule, if I have no information to the contrary, is to bet and then fold to a raise. Against a player that will bluff raise, such players I find more online than live I think, that opens me up to a bluff-raise. A major mistake is folding the river for one bet when you would have won the hand. A minor mistake is betting and getting raised and then calling.

Therefore, I usually check a scare card as in this case. Especially an Ace. Live players love to call to the river with a single ace.

Another weakness of mine is reads. Once I was playing in a 6/12 game at AJs and had a very good read on a player and I was able to use it to my advantage. That's rare.

Online reads are a little more difficult for me even though I play on only one table at a time.

Each reply said sans a read then check it. Sound advice.

In order to bet the river with confidence I need to work on what he called me with on the turn - circle back to reads but also some logic. What would he call/raise me with here?

So, some homework for 3'ducks.

Review Poker Tracker hands 'went to showdown and lost' vs 'went to showdown and won'. Reread Barry's article again. Think about it.