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Old 10-24-2007, 09:49 AM
CobraGoat CobraGoat is offline
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Default Value bet KK on river in bloated pot?

at work no HH.

FT, 6max 50NL.

Hero: $140
Villain: $110

Villain is complete calling station, worse than ive maybe ever seen, super loose passive, never raising, calling repeat huge bets with 2nd or 3rd pair etc. As an aside it seems like there are a lot more horrific players at 50NL than 25NL. Against most players I would probably not have built such a big pot on all streeets but this guy was amazingly bad (he only had a stack from ridiculous beats, his stack was yoyoing).

Hero in BB dealt KK.
Villain UTG limps, MP limps, Button limps and SB completes, i raise to $3.5. Villain calls and then MP shoves in for $10. Button and SB fold and I just call because I want to play a big pot with villain. Obviously villain calls. Pot is like $32.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet $27, villain calls.

Turn: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet $52, villain calls. At this point I am putting him on a Q or a PP below, maybe a FD.

River: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

What is my action here OOP? Shove? c/c? given the size of the pot and villains likely holdings i think i have to shove to maximize the value of my hand v. his range or should i be thinking to check down given that villain, despite being a station, has called two massive bets so far? I dont think there is any value in trying to induce a bluff, this villain seems much more likely to check behind with all worse hands.

THought on my flat call pre? Thoughts on my bet sizing on flop and turn?
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:09 AM
bozzer bozzer is offline
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Default Re: Value bet KK on river in bloated pot?

a shove looks good from description.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:27 AM
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Default Re: Value bet KK on river in bloated pot?

i'm okay with the flat pre, now shove
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: Value bet KK on river in bloated pot?

you put him on a range that you crush, he's a calling station and you're thinking about c/c? valueshove all day.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:40 AM
ryanj247 ryanj247 is offline
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Default Re: Value bet KK on river in bloated pot?

i guess i'm confused because this seems so obvious. villain has only $21 left right? push of course.

if the stack sizes and action are correct, the pot was $86 on the turn and villain had $73 left. i'd probably just push the turn. if he's calling huge bets, why not just go ahead and put him in for a less than PSB?
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:32 AM
tjohnsonr10 tjohnsonr10 is offline
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Default Re: Value bet KK on river in bloated pot?

As everybody has said push. I doubt he is folding anything at this point and you are about 10000000% ahead of his range. NH
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