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10-23-2007, 12:20 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
elwood,
Are you being deliberately dense? He ran as a Republican because he's not an idiot. Only Republicans or Democrats can be elected to any office higher than County Water & Soil Commissioner. 
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#2
10-23-2007, 12:26 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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elwood, Are you being deliberately dense? He ran as a Republican because he's not an idiot. Only Republicans or Democrats can be elected to any office higher than County Water & Soil Commissioner. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I am being deliberately dense. I always thought this was the reason why he was running as a Republican --- pragmatic reason alone --- not because he truly views himself as a member of the Republican Party. He's a RINO. I think we can agree on that. My ultimate question is do you think that by running as a Republican he is hurting his ability to effectively run as an idealist. I think it does.
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10-23-2007, 12:27 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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elwood, Are you being deliberately dense? He ran as a Republican because he's not an idiot. Only Republicans or Democrats can be elected to any office higher than County Water & Soil Commissioner. [/ QUOTE ] Statists will tell you to work for change within the system. Then when someone does it, they say he's a sellout.
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10-23-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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[ QUOTE ] elwood, Are you being deliberately dense? He ran as a Republican because he's not an idiot. Only Republicans or Democrats can be elected to any office higher than County Water & Soil Commissioner. [/ QUOTE ] Statists will tell you to work for change within the system. Then when someone does it, they say he's a sellout. [/ QUOTE ] I think he should work for change within the system and I think he is a sellout for running as a Republican. Those aren't contrary views. Let me put it this way, at the end of the day Ross Perot will have made more of a national impact running effectively as a third party than Ron Paul will have. Further, Ross Perot made more of an impact running as a third-party than had Ross Perot run as a Republican.
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#5
10-23-2007, 12:36 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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Ross Perot made more of an impact running as a third-party than had Ross Perot run as a Republican. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. But that doesn't mean the same would hold for anyone running for president. Also, you're neglecting the possiblity that if RP loses the nomination, he can still run independently.
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#6
10-23-2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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[ QUOTE ] Ross Perot made more of an impact running as a third-party than had Ross Perot run as a Republican. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. But that doesn't mean the same would hold for anyone running for president. Also, you're neglecting the possiblity that if RP loses the nomination, he can still run independently. [/ QUOTE ] It will be interesting to see if he chooses to run as an independent when he loses the nomination.
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#8
10-23-2007, 01:10 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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He has said in several interviews he would not run as an independent if he is not nominated on the republican ticket. [/ QUOTE ] Did he say not as an independent, not as a Libertarian or both? I doubt he's lying about this or will change his mind, but if he left one of the options open, it's still a possibility.
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#9
10-23-2007, 12:46 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] elwood, Are you being deliberately dense? He ran as a Republican because he's not an idiot. Only Republicans or Democrats can be elected to any office higher than County Water & Soil Commissioner. [/ QUOTE ] Statists will tell you to work for change within the system. Then when someone does it, they say he's a sellout. [/ QUOTE ] I think he should work for change within the system and I think he is a sellout for running as a Republican. Those aren't contrary views. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, actually, they are. Like it or not, the two parties are the system and he has to choose one of them. [ QUOTE ] Let me put it this way, at the end of the day Ross Perot will have made more of a national impact running effectively as a third party than Ron Paul will have. Further, Ross Perot made more of an impact running as a third-party than had Ross Perot run as a Republican. [/ QUOTE ] Ron Paul isn't a billionaire. It takes a billionaire to make a "serious" run against the established parties. Perot spend an estimated $65.4 million of his own money on his campaign, and that doesn't include additional money from donations. And you know what? If Perot had waited to do what he did until a Republican president didn't get the auto-nomination and instead run on the Republican ticket, I bet he would have won! Sure, he made more impact in 1992 than he would have running as a Republican because you can't beat a sitting president in the primaries, but in another year, he would have made a much large impact as a Republican.
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#10
10-23-2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: Why is Paul Running as a Republican?
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Yes, actually, they are. Like it or not, the two parties are the system and he has to choose one of them. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that a two party system is the most likely outcome of our structure. That does not mean that 1) third-party candidates can't have a significant impact or 2) that the two parties have to be the current two parties. Ron Paul is VERY unlikely to win the nomination. He has to know this. If he doesn't he is naive beyond belief. Knowing that he is unlikely to win the nomination/presidency, he must be running for other reason (the likely reason is that he wants to change hearts/minds.) I think he is much more likely to do that running as a third-party than as a Republican. [ QUOTE ] If Perot had waited to do what he did until a Republican president didn't get the auto-nomination and instead run on the Republican ticket, I bet he would have won! [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I wish there was some way to actually make this bet happen. [ QUOTE ] Sure, he made more impact in 1992 than he would have running as a Republican because you can't beat a sitting president in the primaries, but in another year, he would have made a much large impact as a Republican [/ QUOTE ] He ran in 1996 also.
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