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Old 10-22-2007, 07:14 PM
Brainwalter Brainwalter is offline
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Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

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Section 61 of the tax code defines gross income:
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(a) General definition.--Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:


(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;


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These 3 section clearly establish tax liability for ALL INDIVIDUALS (not just public sector) on the income from their "compensation for services" (read: wages). It really is pretty clear.

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If this is meant to include wages (many more people's income consists of wages than of fees, commissions, or fringe benefits) why didn't they say wages?
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

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Section 61 of the tax code defines gross income:
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(a) General definition.--Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:


(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;


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These 3 section clearly establish tax liability for ALL INDIVIDUALS (not just public sector) on the income from their "compensation for services" (read: wages). It really is pretty clear.

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If this is meant to include wages (many more people's income consists of wages than of fees, commissions, or fringe benefits) why didn't they say wages?

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Who cares? It says compensation for services. Wages are compensation for services.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: About Ed and Elaine Brown, the couple who refused to pay taxes..

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This I get, but the rule of law implies that these disputes about what the law is will be resolved. In this case, there was a trial before a fair and impartial court which found that the Browns were wrong. If you believe in the rule of law, you have to submit at some point.

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Depends on which action does more to actually defend the rule of law. The country was founded by individuals who resisted what they believed was a government that didn't abide by its own laws. They would have lost at trial. Of course, you could argue that they therefore didn't respect the rule of law. I'm not sure. Like so many arguments, I think this could be a matter of semantics.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:44 PM
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Who cares? It says compensation for services. Wages are compensation for services.

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But the tax code treats employee wages differently than other compensation received for services (like an independent contractor getting paid for a house-call).
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Old 10-22-2007, 08:23 PM
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Who cares? It says compensation for services. Wages are compensation for services.

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But the tax code treats employee wages differently than other compensation received for services (like an independent contractor getting paid for a house-call).

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Maybe so, but not on account of section 61, where salaries, wages, and fees are all lumped together.
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