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Why don\'t I want to fold?
Villain is 18/15 over a good sample, not really any history IIRC but he is a regular and every solid reg in these games 3bets quite a bit, and he is likely no different.
I know I have no pair and a pretty meh draw, but for some intuitive reason in my head I hate folding. Sbould I just fold this flop? If you do decide to play back, what's your line on this flop? Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $415.05 BB: $408.80 UTG: $530 CO: $144.69 Hero (BTN): $396.50 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $56</font>, Hero calls $40 Flop: ($114) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $68</font>, Hero ??? |
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
if im continuing, im shoving.
4 straight outs, back door flush, possibly pair outs, possibly having the best hand, BU vs BB I dont think shoving here is bad |
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
I guess you don't want to fold because this is a weak bet and you envision getting there with the T ball for the nuts on the turn, or at least peeling a club.
Agree that shoving > calling here. You may be beating air/flush draws from time to time, and thus you can have the best hand here in addition to having outs, etc. |
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
i really dont like calling on the flop, so if you want to go with ur gut and continue i agree with the above that shoving is best. i think there are better flops to shove in this spot, but this isnt a horrible one.
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
his bet is ultra strange there, because the board is drawing. he reraises from the BB. i gave him JJ+, AK
fold it fast or flat call and see what happens on the turn. |
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
With no particular read from a 15/18 I just fold this flop
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
does the cbet size look strange to you? thats something to think about in these spots
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
haha yeah that is the first thing i noticed
its up to you to decide whether it looks weak or if it wants action. i'd lean towards the latter |
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
i also like shoving over a bigger bet more than over this bet
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Re: Why don\'t I want to fold?
[ QUOTE ]
if im continuing, im shoving. 4 straight outs, back door flush, possibly pair outs, possibly having the best hand, BU vs BB I dont think shoving here is bad [/ QUOTE ] This makes a lot of sense. Many of the hand that beat you that he will have in this situation will have a hard time calling if you push. And if he does call, you have some outs. I think fold usually, push occasionally, but don't call. If you play with villain regularly, then you will need to occasionally push sets in this position as well. |
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