QQ against 22/18, pots getting big, turn line?

AZplaya · #1 10-21-2007, 05:26 AM

Villian in this hand is pkt_diamonds. I haven't seen him at $50 until the past week or so but he seems pretty solid. I have him at 22/18. We've both been pretty active, he's 3 bet me a few times, I've 4 bet him twice and he's folded. Given our history I decided to just call pre and play poker.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $50
UTG: $120.45
MP: $19.70
CO: $50.20
Hero (BTN): $66.10
SB: $60.85

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, SB raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.75

Flop: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14

Turn: ($45) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero???

the pots getting huuuugggeee and I'm starting to doubt if I have the best hand. Do we play for stacks or check behind. If we check, do we call the inevitable river bet? If we play for stacks, what hand does he play like this that I'm ahead of?

bozzer · #2 10-21-2007, 09:46 AM

this is a really nasty spot.

so we bet the flop because we want to get value from draws/worse hands right? the problem is if he's 3betting with a wide range and he's hit a draw on this flop, he probably cbets 100% of the time, correct? tbh, if he has AK he probably cbets here mostly too. he could check 99/JJ and try to pot control it or TT/KK/AA to try to induce.

i'm not sure he's calling with enough worse to value bet here. I'd value bet KK however.

basically if he calls our cbet and then checks and we are thinking 'oh no maybe our hand isn't good' on a turn blank for most of his range something's gone wrong.

on the turn i think if we check we've gotta call a river shove if he makes one, and if he checks river we'll be valuebetting so i stick it in now and hope for the best. but pot control was called for earlier in the hand imo.

corsakh · #3 10-21-2007, 09:49 AM

Once you call 3bet with a hand preflop for face value, you stack off on a favouralbe flop for 100BB. No questions asked.

GSykes · #4 10-21-2007, 09:57 AM

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Once you call 3bet with a hand preflop for face value, you stack off on a favouralbe flop for 100BB. No questions asked.

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agree 100%

prodonkey · #5 10-21-2007, 10:02 AM

why not just 4 bet? I've seen a lot of these posts lately where this happens.. lots of betting and raising in past.. hero gets premium hand.. and then decides to just call.

Kloonike · #6 10-21-2007, 10:15 AM

I would bet around 1/2 of the pot on turn. If you check behind, he has a chance to draw out if you are ahead. To force him out or reduce the chances of his river bet if he decides to call.

bozzer · #7 10-21-2007, 10:17 AM

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Once you call 3bet with a hand preflop for face value, you stack off on a favouralbe flop for 100BB. No questions asked.

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this is almost 150bbs deep. handy rule but hello losing money.

corsakh · #8 10-21-2007, 10:23 AM

Boz, its a resteal war. Villain is 22/18. There are tons of SC in his range. The only semi reasonable hand is TT and even then I doulbt he would give two free cards with it.

bozzer · #9 10-21-2007, 10:30 AM

sorry i lied about it being nearly 150bbs deep - 120bbs.

I don't get a c/c from villain with an SC that has some piece of the flop here. I agree he does it sometimes, but it's not 'tons'.

Talking about giving free cards is only relevant when we have lots of equity to 'protect'.

members_only · #10 10-21-2007, 10:54 AM

Well it's a big pot, the board is very drawy and we have probably the best hand. So I'd say we do have a lot of equity to protect, on both the flop and turn. Plus we are quite uncertain about opponent's range (I would be at least), which favours betting here.

I think given history AZ should be happy to get it in here.