Cards not shuffled well - is this a redeal?

[mr.spam]

Ok, live S&G, 8-handed, it's a game among friends, we always play with two decks, a blue and a red one. We're still waiting for two more people to show up, so me and a friend are doing some flipaments with the blue deck just for fun. First time I deal/shuffle, I notice that all the cards are in order.

Two last players come in, tournament starts. Button uses the (shuffled) blue deck, I end up winning a pot from the bb against UTG.

Hand after that, there's a huge 4-bet preflop, with 5 people going to the flop. High pocket pairs were everywhere at the table, I recall from UTG to BB the cards dealt were

Kc - Qc - Jc - Tc - 9c - 8c - 7c - Ac
Kh - Qh - Jh - Th - 9h - 8h - 5c - 4c

which indicates quite clearly that cards weren't shuffled well. I ask the dealer if he had shuffled them and he answered: "Well, not that good, I cut a couple of times but thought they were already shuffled because you were playing with them." He's a friend and there's no way he would've done this on purpose actually.

Person with QQ ended up winning the hand eventually, but is this a redeal or not?

[GSykes]

i would have to say yes

[pfapfap]

I'm inclined to say no. People got cards and accepted action. It seems a large coincidence that they happened to line up for the number of players, frankly. I doubt the QQ wanted a redeal, nor would anyone else who had won.

[chillrob]

I think it has to either be a redeal, or else make the guy who was supposed to have shuffled the deck pay all of the losers out of his own pocket. This is terrible.

[eof]

it's still random... no redeal imo. with 8 players it doesn't make sense that everything would line up that well anyway. i've been at a table as im sure a lot of people have where 6 pps were dealt including AA KK QQ JJ.

[Lottery Larry]

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i would have to say yes

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You would have to speak incorrectly.

KITN to the non-shuffling fool, regardless.

[budblown]

hand plays, KITN for dealer.

[scpi10]

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hand plays, KITN for dealer.

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[PokerKhan]

Imagine if this happenned online - how many of you that say that the hand plays would be screaming foul? This is an error that could not be detected until the hands were shown at showdown - a nearly unshuffled deck, which was mostly still in original order. At a casino, I'd call the floor manager and ask to have the hand nullified, and the dealer castrated. At a home game, I'd want the hand thrown out - any reasonable player would agree that such a hand shouldn't stand, even the fellow who won.

[pfapfap]

How could this happen online, as at most sites the cards are generated on the fly?

I see the points of this, I just think it's a dangerous precedent to say, "hey, it wasn't shuffled well enough, do-over!" They were shuffled to some extent, and the process of dealing shuffled them more. In this case, there was the coincidence of many pocket pairs. That happens a lot anyway.

It's a tough situation, and I'm not 100%, but I'm inclined to say action stays. Otherwise, where is the line drawn as to "not shuffled enough"?