50nl combo draw facing flop raise

derosnec · #1 10-19-2007, 09:31 PM

villain is 58/122 (AF of 1 on flop) after only 58 hands. no showdowns to use for reads

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($96.60)
MP ($35.05)
CO ($59.25)
Hero ($49.25)
SB ($55.55)
BB ($56.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.5, BB raises to $9, Hero

bozzer · #2 10-19-2007, 09:33 PM

looks like a textbook shove?

derosnec · #3 10-19-2007, 09:37 PM

that's what i wanted to know. so shove > call, fold, or reraise?

whyzze · #4 10-19-2007, 09:43 PM

call. This guys range is so tight for doing this. If you hit he will still pay you enough imo. However, you need to watch for rio.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

36,630 games 0.093 secs 393,870 games/sec

Board: 8h 4h 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.272% 33.10% 00.18% 12123 64.50 { 7h6h }
Hand 1: 66.728% 66.55% 00.18% 24378 64.50 { TT-88, 64s, 54s, 43s, 64o, 54o, 43o }

AZplaya · #5 10-19-2007, 10:27 PM

I like calling in position here. As shove probably doesnt have much fe against his range for c/ring on this board. Plus you could be drawing to one out.

Waingro · #6 10-20-2007, 04:18 AM

I like a 3bet and call a push. That kind of board is a text book example of a board that hits very few hands. So villain probably thinks 22 and AJo is the nuts here after your cb so I think your FE is really high.

Also, what does 58/122 mean? You mean 58/12 right?

corsakh · #7 10-20-2007, 06:06 AM

FE is 0, but your equity is still over 30%.
Call. I am certain he is going to give you river for cheap and you get paid if you hit.

Waingro · #8 10-20-2007, 07:33 AM

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FE is 0, but your equity is still over 30%.
Call. I am certain he is going to give you river for cheap and you get paid if you hit.

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Wow, just wow. Are you serious? So with say AA you would just shove it in and expect to be called by villains entire range? Or do you think villain has trips, full house or quads everytime? Funny, because my concern with AA would be the opposite. Villain probably has very little and a big part of his range is air, so I would just call the flop with AA and let him fire again on the turn.

corsakh · #9 10-20-2007, 07:47 AM

Back to BBV please.

elcarlos · #10 10-20-2007, 08:12 AM

Ok, first post here. Bear with me. Please correct me if I'm wrong or off with my calculations, but I'd like to give it a shot. (Trying to get to terms with the game [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

So Hero has basically:
9 outs (flush draw)
3 outs (gutshot draw 3=4-1 for the flush)

12 outs = 12x4%=48% chance of making the flush on the river

pot is: 4.25+3.5+9=16.75
to call: 9.

pot odds: 9/(16.75+9)=0.3495

so 35% pot odds to call with 48% chance to make the nuts.

Or should I say: 35% pot odds to see the turn with 24% chance to make the flush there?

Anyway, as I see it, I think going all in here would still give you a 48% of making the flush, and might scare him into folding. I don't think Villain is playing suited connectors (gapped) like you are. Probably low pocketpairs since he just called your preflop bet.

My 5 cts. What do you think?