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Old 10-19-2007, 08:51 PM
zyrrth zyrrth is offline
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Default Re: You are delt 88...

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ok.. you said UTG was "very tight". so you are behind his range for sure. the best you can hope for is AK since he's only raising JJ+ and AK UTG.

so if by "loose" you mean that there is very little chance of a reraise, then a call would be fine. But I'm folding 80% of the time if UTG is "very tight".

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so wrong
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:54 PM
Albino Lobster Albino Lobster is offline
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Default Re: You are delt 88...

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so wrong

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Now explain why.
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:55 PM
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Fold because I am only beating A/K and A/Q. Obv calling is not an option and raising may not guarantee a HU situation.

I'm a nit!!!
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: You are delt 88...

Why do you guys have to be beating him right now? Thats not the point of chasing a set. He is a super tight player and is raising under the gun, he likely has a huge hand... a huge enough hand to pay you off when you hit your set.
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: You are delt 88...

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I probably call every pair and reraise KK+.

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I think is is a very bad idea because if you want to play I think you need it heads up.

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If other people are aware that he's very tight the chance of a reraise behind is very small.

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At 100NL there is a very small chance there are that many observant people at the table.

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I might dump AK in this spot depending on specific stats.

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I'm re-raising w/ A/K
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:00 PM
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Default Re: You are delt 88...

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Why do you guys have to be beating him right now? Thats not the point of chasing a set. He is a super tight player and is raising under the gun, he likely has a huge hand... a huge enough hand to pay you off when you hit your set.

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At a loose table you may be stacking off with a set to a better hand. I just don't like all the redraw possibilities by just calling and set mining.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:16 PM
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Why do you guys have to be beating him right now? Thats not the point of chasing a set. He is a super tight player and is raising under the gun, he likely has a huge hand... a huge enough hand to pay you off when you hit your set.

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At a loose table you may be stacking off with a set to a better hand. I just don't like all the redraw possibilities by just calling and set mining.

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Wow, you are tight. Those redraw issues aren't that common and you can see them coming from a mile away.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: You are delt 88...

I can understand not calling. But NOT because you want it heads up (???) or that they can redraw (????????).

Also i was going to say what bluegrassplayer said but i thought someone would mention it already.

To be honest i don't like the reasoning behind most of the arguments but at least there is some discussion going.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:27 PM
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Why do you guys have to be beating him right now? Thats not the point of chasing a set. He is a super tight player and is raising under the gun, he likely has a huge hand... a huge enough hand to pay you off when you hit your set.

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At a loose table you may be stacking off with a set to a better hand. I just don't like all the redraw possibilities by just calling and set mining.

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Wow, you are tight. Those redraw issues aren't that common and you can see them coming from a mile away.

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I know. I'm a new NL player and am not yet confident to play these marginal situations post flop yet. I auto fold.
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:31 PM
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Default Re: You are delt 88...

It's great if he's ultra tight because that is what gives us the implied odds to call his bet and set mine.
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