Monster pot - time to fold?

[AAismyfriend]

BB has TT-QQ a lot here. I'm not folding here ever, and I think calling>>>shoving here, although I suppose there isn't much of a difference....just makes it a bit easier for BB to tag along with worse IMO.

[Nielsio]

I raise more preflop, and then I'm not folding.

[markuisis]

Just so every1 is on the same page, this is y i think bb is prob a calling station:
Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $90.50
Hero (BB): $209.50
UTG: $242.25
CO: $159
BTN: $332.95

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, UTG calls $3, SB folds

Turn: ($9) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, UTG calls $7

River: ($23) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $17</font>, UTG calls $17

Results: $57 Pot ($2.85 Rake)
Hero showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Nines and Sixes) and WON $54.15 (+$26.15 NET)
UTG mucked J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$28 NET)

And this is y i think UTG is prob annoyed with me and not flatting kings or aces again pf:

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $101.20
SB: $99
Hero (BB): $100
UTG: $243.95
MP: $180.65
CO: $395.05

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $3.50</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11</font>, MP calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $17</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $169.65 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $72 and is All-In

Turn: ($200.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($200.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $200.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $197.50 (+$97.50 NET)
MP showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$100 NET)

do u guys agree with reads?

[orange]

yes shove

[BenJay]

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im like never folding this...

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never ever. one guy is a calling station and the other is on tilt. you would be very unlucky not the have the best hand in this situation

[Lefort]

Yeah I mean its not a great spot but you can't fold. Expect to be behind sometimes, but ahead more than enough to warrant getting the chips in..

[crunchi]

Are people changing there answer if UTG is NOT on tilt?

[markuisis]

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Are people changing there answer if UTG is NOT on tilt?

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ya, thats what im wondering, but w/e ill give results and they really surprised me, i shoved and BB had aces (he cold called pf and on flop...) and utg had nines (surprised he raised 27 to 147 with top set...). Pot was 600bb and nines held up.

[JFsports]

I'd never fold this and I think calling is better than shoving because BB has QQ-TT a lot, and that's a kinda nice range for you to keep in the hand