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#1
10-18-2007, 09:10 AM
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Bottom Two Pair
$1.25 45-player SnG (FullTilt).
Blinds t25/50 Hero in BB with t1,670 Villain in MP with t1,800 Folds to Villain, who limps. Folds to Hero, who checks option with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] FLOP (t125): 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero? 
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#2
10-18-2007, 09:12 AM
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Re: Bottom Two Pair
this depends on villain - if he is an aggressive player - i'd check/raise this - if he is on the passive side bet out.
betting out bottom 2 is usually better - specially with a 2 - if the board pairs your 2nd pair is neutralized.
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#4
10-18-2007, 09:19 AM
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Re: Bottom Two Pair
[ QUOTE ]
this depends on villain - if he is an aggressive player - i'd check/raise this - if he is on the passive side bet out. betting out bottom 2 is usually better - specially with a 2 - if the board pairs your 2nd pair is neutralized. [/ QUOTE ] No specific read on Villain. Hero bets t100. Villain raises to t600. Hero?
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#7
10-18-2007, 09:44 AM
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Re: Bottom Two Pair
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[ QUOTE ] Hero? [/ QUOTE ] ...pushes for the second time in a short period and again realizes he doesn't have time for a mandatory fist-pump! [/ QUOTE ] LoL. So no argument for calling and re-evaluating? Is that because I don't have enough left behind? Or because I want to give him a chance to pay too much for his draw? How much of a problem is it that my lower pair is so likely to be counterfeited?
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#8
10-18-2007, 10:01 AM
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Re: Bottom Two Pair
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hero? [/ QUOTE ] ...pushes for the second time in a short period and again realizes he doesn't have time for a mandatory fist-pump! [/ QUOTE ] LoL. So no argument for calling and re-evaluating? Is that because I don't have enough left behind? Or because I want to give him a chance to pay too much for his draw? How much of a problem is it that my lower pair is so likely to be counterfeited? [/ QUOTE ] Ok... It's a combination of all three actually. Also, if he's playing something like QJ or QT, action will stop for both of you if another [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] comes on turn.
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#9
10-18-2007, 10:04 AM
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Re: Bottom Two Pair
Seems to me that if Villain doesn't hold a Q, then there are three "outs" for your 2s to be counterfeited on turn or river, which is ~12% likely. Then, if a non-Q hits on the turn, there are three more "outs" for your twos to be counterfeited on the river, or another ~7%. There are some overlaps among these outcomes, and also some chances that you will hit trips with either your 7 or 2. So it's probably around 15-18% likely that you will end up with just your sevens.
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#10
10-18-2007, 10:16 AM
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Re: Bottom Two Pair
Thanks, and I apologize for posting such standard hands but I'm trying to learn everything I can from them. You are all really helpful.
So my rationale for pushing is: --I probably have the best hand right now. If I don't, I'm crushed by something (a set or top two pair) that I'll just have to pay off. --I want him to have Qx and stack off with it. I also don't mind if he over-pays for his diamond flush draw. --The turn can't really improve my hand; it can fill up my boat, but I already think I have the best hand anyway. --However, the turn can improve his hand and can also shut the action down with a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or other scare card. With one of my pairs being 22, just about any card other than 7 or 2 is a scare card for me. --So get it in now. Is that about right?
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