10NL One more JJ from Schiester

Schiester · #1 10-15-2007, 10:03 PM

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Haven't played villan prior to sitting down 5min ago.

MP ($9.15)
Button ($18.31)
SB ($13.70)
BB ($8.73)
Hero ($10.13)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $0.4, MP calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds.

Flop: ($1.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $0.9, MP folds, Button calls $0.90.

Turn: ($3.15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $3.15

This is an easy fold right?

Not getting any love from my Jacks today.

Milky · #2 10-15-2007, 10:28 PM

Pot that flop, way too drawy.

My first instinct was to say b/f turn but any bet is going to commit you... So good fold.

hoyasaxa · #3 10-15-2007, 10:32 PM

agree with flop pot

i would bet a 1.50, pray he doesnt raise and try to fill up on the river

bsball8806 · #4 10-15-2007, 10:38 PM

I'm going to assume that BTN has a flush, but could possibly have just a straight. Your 4th nut flush draw is *probably* no good.

You have 10 outs to a full house, and 9h for the straight flush that both figure to give you the winning hand.
That gives you 11/45 guaranteed outs % chance of making your hand, or 4:1 of making your hand.
He's giving you slightly more than 2:1.

So unless you think there's a pretty good chance he's doing this with a naked straight, or with a straight and a flush draw, this is a fold imo

bsball8806 · #5 10-15-2007, 10:39 PM

but I lead out the flop for about 1.75, and hope he doesn't raise

Milky · #6 10-15-2007, 10:41 PM

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Meh, I don't think you need to bet that much... And if raised on the flop I'm just getting it all-in there.

bsball8806 · #7 10-15-2007, 10:46 PM

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Meh, I don't think you need to bet that much... And if raised on the flop I'm just getting it all-in there.

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of course, i want to get it all in on the flop as well. you think 1.75 is too much? it's barely 55% of the pot, and screams "take it away from me"

Xanta · #8 10-15-2007, 10:55 PM

Pot the flop, more if you think they'll call with big draws.

This hand is kinda nice because villains range consists of two distinct parts, one subrange of made hands, and one subrange of draws. Once the turn comes as it does, villain is going to play his hands in the first range one way 90% of the time, and his hands in the second range another way 90% of the time. Your jacks have the nice position of beating all of one subrange and none of another.

Turn's a bit of a sticky spot. Villains at NL10 don't tend to float a lot so this isn't a bluff very often since his range on the flop consists of 2 pair, sets, TP, pair + gutshot (none of which would pot the turn except maybe undersets, being more inclined to check for pot control) and draws, all of which got there. With a bet this size you can't really call and hope to boat up on the river because pot odds and implied odds aren't there, so once you get here you can fold safely.

If you do lead turn for a medium sized amount, I don't think that you're getting raised off the best hand very often, I think that you WILL get a little value out of the 2pr sets TP pair+gutshot part of his range I mentioned above, but you're not likely to get any more value from that range on the river, so meh. I think a turn lead is a little better but not by a ton. Gets value before a lot of rivers make the board go to hell.

Hero 0f Time · #9 10-15-2007, 11:10 PM

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but I lead out the flop for about 1.75, and hope he doesn't raise

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Meh, I don't think you need to bet that much... And if raised on the flop I'm just getting it all-in there.

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of course, i want to get it all in on the flop as well. you think 1.75 is too much? it's barely 55% of the pot, and screams "take it away from me"

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this is 10nl pot is 1.35 on the flop

bsball8806 · #10 10-15-2007, 11:13 PM

oh whoops thought we were talking about turn