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Old 10-15-2007, 05:16 PM
Ironic Ironic is offline
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Default NL25- I land the nut flush on the turn but board pairs on the river

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($5)
SB ($25.05)
BB ($23.15)
UTG ($4.85)
UTG+1 ($71.30)
Hero ($23.70)
MP2 ($4.90)
CO ($19.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($3.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.75</font>, UTG+1 calls $3.25.

River: ($12.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $22</font>
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Any ideas?
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:35 PM
RapidEvolution RapidEvolution is offline
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Default Re: NL25- I land the nut flush on the turn but board pairs on the rive

Any reads on villain? Without reads, I don't like the preflop limp. You're not getting expressed odds to call the flop and without a read, there's no guarantee that the implied odds are there either. Without a read, I fold here as this looks the line certainly meshes well with a set that filled up on the river. Also, it's pretty clear to him that you've got the flush.
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: NL25- I land the nut flush on the turn but board pairs on the rive

reads/stats? usually a fold here
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:44 PM
WantToLearn WantToLearn is offline
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Default Re: NL25- I land the nut flush on the turn but board pairs on the rive

Anyone for raising the turn bigger? It was 4 villains who saw the flop, and he really needs only small implied odds to call our turn raise, assuming he has a set and thinks we have a flush.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: NL25- I land the nut flush on the turn but board pairs on the rive

Meh, you told him that you have the flush and still overbets. Unless you knew villain was a complete tool I think you gotta fold.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: NL25- I land the nut flush on the turn but board pairs on the rive

Villain didn't get express odds to call since he's only got 10 outs and needs to get 4-1 on his money. (Hero gave him 3-1). I like folding here unless villain is mega aggro and would bluff the river. If he has half a brain, this will send a message too, that it won't be profitable for him to chase draws against you relying on implied odds. In fact, if he has the boat (which I think he does) your fold could really piss him off. lol
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Old 10-15-2007, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: NL25- I land the nut flush on the turn but board pairs on the rive

Well as many of you will have guessed I had to fold that one down.

Obv I am not going to just call the turn, I want to get value so I decide to raise. Unfortunately this pretty much tells him I have a flush but there is no way around this. Remember I don't know he has a set at this stage and a larger raise would force out a lot of weaker hands I think.
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