TheVOid DQ'ed? (Xpost)

[BadgerPro]

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

[plzleenowhammy]

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

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this obv doesn't apply but i get ur point.

[nicksson]

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

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definately

[kleath]

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

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Cmon, thats not a comparison at all, itd be much more like insider trading than robbing a bank(still not really a proper comparison but w/e)

[djk123]

technically shouldn't everyone who entered get some compensation?

[gobbomom]

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technically shouldn't everyone who entered get some compensation?

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absolutely, gp's post is an excellent example of why.

[KneeCo]

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technically shouldn't everyone who entered get some compensation?

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Truthfully, yes but 2 things: 1) it's bad for poker to overly publicize this. 2) everyone who entered did get compensation.

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Frankly, I don't want a couple thousand casual HSMTT players receiving an email saying essentially online poker is rigged. The fact that the guy got caught makes me very happy, but the story as a whole, regardless of the ending, is not a good thing for online poker (when the papers report that the cops broke up a huge child pedophilia ring, it makes parents in the community fear for their children' safety more than ever).

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But yea, that really isn't the players' prob, and PR or the good of the game isn't a good enough reason to withhold from players the compensation to which they are entitled. However, in truth, if you wanna get nice and nitty, all players did receive some compensation, the same compensation in fact: Every player moved up one spot, that's their compensation. Now, for ka$ino that means an extra 700k, for alkemizt that means going from bubbleboy to the money (3k), for Exit that means moving up 416 to 415 (0$) and for Samuel032 that means moving up from 2998th to 2997th (0$). While the $ amounts are different for different players, the compensation is technically exactly the same.

Edit: Obv this doesn't mean if I were someone like g-p I wouldn't send stars an email asap and follow through. Of course you get ninto the prob of what about the players Void busted throughout the tournament, from the first hour to ITM, because of g-p deserves extra compensation for being busted by the cheat on the bubble so does whoever he busted in hour 1, and whoever he busted ITM (except Kasino). Russo for instance, regardless of winning 700k now was still cheated out of the chance to play HU for the championship by being busted by the Void, is g-p deserves compensation above and beyond being moved up one spot so does Russo and everyone else Void busted. Of course it puts Stars in a very tricky spot, but that's their prob not the players.

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just thought of something else....

i wonder if he had more than one account make the money? it might be that more than person who finished outside the money will receive something because of this

[Todd Terry]

1. I don't think anyone should celebrate or condemn the decision reached by Stars, as the information uncovered by their investigation is not known (unless your cause for celebration is your dislike of Telscher, in which case you should celebrate). I think given the magnitude of this situation, Stars should make an effort to reveal some information while at the same time protecting any information that would reveal super-sophisticated investigative techniques that could be exploited in the future by cheaters.

2. Nor do I think Stars can be given credit for making a decision that benefits the integrity of the game while hurting their bottom line. It may well be the case that the best business decision, given the publicity this situation has received at least among hard-core Internet poker players, was to disqualify the winner rather than sweeping it under the rug.

3. Saying to multiaccounters that if you get caught multiaccounting you will not get the prize money in the tournament in which you were caught multiaccounting is a woefully inadequate deterrent. TheVoid lost a $2600 entry fee here, big deal. Was it worth it to take a shot at winning over $1 million? From a cost/benefit perspective (setting ethical considerations aside), undoubtedly. I think the only thing that is going to deter multiaccounting is turning over these cases for criminal prosecution. While this probably could be done in this case if the Villain(s) were playing in England, it will never be done in the United States due to Stars' questionable legal status/practices over here.

4. While far from a perfect solution, bumping up everyone one level is the least speculative and therefore best solution, which is why it is used by all sporting contests in similar situations. Sure, g-p could have won the whole thing, but perhaps another person would have been sitting in the same spot and been dealt the same cards. Short of a redo, which of course would be ridiculous, I think this is the best thing that can be done.

5. Those of you that believe that this situation should be kept as quiet as possible so as to minimize the effect to your own bottom line probably have good careers ahead of you as insider traders. Or perhaps you could work for the governments in China, Russia or Venezuela making decisions about what news should be broadcast to the masses. I think it's appalling that the poker media did not pick up on this story before, and will only do so now if Stars gives its blessing.