NL600 turned topset - betsize turn, gaga river - Page 2

$upermad4it · #11 10-15-2007, 04:52 AM

this is the simplest shove in the history of poker

A__theKevlar__2 · #12 10-15-2007, 04:58 AM

tank and shove turn

Erikson · #13 10-15-2007, 04:59 AM

allright got to admit the river thing was def. not worth the question. so it's basically about pf and turnplay. sorry i completey fuckedup this topic 8[

BigDan9 · #14 10-15-2007, 04:59 AM

Pocket Queens are overrated (!) and I think a call oop is reasonably against a TAG.

I think the turn bet is fine. I would definitely bet close to the size of the pot for two fairly obvious reasons: it makes it look more like you have a draw of some sort and, if Villain has caught a draw, you're making him pay for it.

As for the river, it would be useful to know your stack size. However, I'll assume you and Villain both have around $400 left.

Whether to shove or check/fold really depends on how "extremely tight" Villain is. His numbers don't suggest he's a total rock, so the big question is whether he would make the play he did on the turn with a draw (K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is the obvious candidate, of course).

Tough one, but Villain's hand feels a little bit more like a set of Jacks (just possibly KK or AA) and I think I would grit my teeth and shove. Even if you're wrong, but extremely lucky, you might just push him off a straight if he really is extremely tight.

$upermad4it · #15 10-15-2007, 05:00 AM

preflop and flop are fine

KeanuReaver · #16 10-15-2007, 05:49 AM

i really think you're fighting your image with your pf and flop play

Erikson · #17 10-15-2007, 05:53 AM

[ QUOTE ]

i really think you're fighting your image with your pf and flop play

[/ QUOTE ]

usually I'd say yes. in this case, I doubt that this matters against this guys' UTG opening range.

KeanuReaver · #18 10-15-2007, 05:55 AM

i would be much less worried about his utg opening range rather than his 4betting range and calling 3bets in position range.

Erikson · #19 10-15-2007, 05:59 AM

so what are you trying to say.

KeanuReaver · #20 10-15-2007, 06:03 AM

given how you've been playing, i would be 3betting this pf and snap pushing if he 4bets. if he just called i'd bet/call every street given the board