JJ in 50k on stars??????

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PokerStars Game #12635178217: Tournament #63176859, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/10/15 - 00:33:13 (ET)
Table '63176859 91' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: pnkranger (9798 in chips)
Seat 2: blackcat318 (37086 in chips)
Seat 3: dajatt13 (30232 in chips)
Seat 4: skkma (36125 in chips)
Seat 5: TheClap00 (26851 in chips)
Seat 6: TheJaguar1 (52939 in chips)
Seat 7: Ivey1988 (17159 in chips)
Seat 8: bjrainman (18791 in chips)
Seat 9: KingPin1010 (14280 in chips)
pnkranger: posts the ante 125
blackcat318: posts the ante 125
dajatt13: posts the ante 125
skkma: posts the ante 125
TheClap00: posts the ante 125
TheJaguar1: posts the ante 125
Ivey1988: posts the ante 125
bjrainman: posts the ante 125
KingPin1010: posts the ante 125
TheJaguar1: posts small blind 600
Ivey1988: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheJaguar1 [Jc Js]
bjrainman: folds
KingPin1010: folds
pnkranger: folds
blackcat318: folds
dajatt13: raises 1200 to 2400
skkma: folds
TheClap00: folds
TheJaguar1: raises 5600 to 8000
Ivey1988: folds
dajatt13: raises 22107 to 30107 and is all-in
TheJaguar1: folds
dajatt13 collected 18325 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18325 | Rake 0
Seat 1: pnkranger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: blackcat318 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dajatt13 collected (18325)
Seat 4: skkma folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TheClap00 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TheJaguar1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Ivey1988 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: bjrainman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: KingPin1010 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


How would you have played this hand and would you have called here hoping he had AK?...I was confused by the minraise thinking he had AA.

Whats your play?

[ssnyc]

i sound like a semi broken record in these posts (do you young ins know what a record is?)...you cannot base borderline deicions like this on hand strength alone...has the villan miniraised before? Have you repopped from blinds before?

I call here and look him up...I think his range is wide enough to include AJ+ and a lot of worse pairs and you have the stack to do it

[black666]

You are getting 2:1

instacall with fistpump

[sapsuckah]

Well, it's not quite 2:1 (I got 1.87:1 if I got the numbers right) but whatever. This is all about reads and ranges.

Range: I may be a little paranoid here, but from my experience this line is a monster pretty much all the time. So my range wouldn't include stuff like AJ or rarely even AQ. So I'm thinking QQ+,AK, and I weight it more heavily to the pairs.

Reads: Of course, I'd modify this range if I had been reraising a lot and expecting someone to try to trap me into a reraise with AJ/AQ/TT hands. I'd also adjust it if the initial raiser minraised a lot pf.

But without reads, I'd listen to my paranoia and stick with the QQ+,AK range, as tight as that is. Against this range you're 36%... so that calls for a very thin call. But if you skew the range more toward the big pairs and less toward the AK hands, it becomes even closer and maybe folding with a healthy stack is better.

Yeah, I know how nitty that sounds but I've been burned way too often by the minraise/push line.

[Dunkman]

Monsters under the bed etc. I had a villain take this exact line with me the other night in the 55k and it was 88. I personally think this is more likely to be AK than QQ, so I wouldn't take much weight from AK. From what you're saying it reads like you think this is AA like 90% of the time, and I don't know how else to say it, but that just isn't true. Maybe it's happened a few times in a row, but getting it in here is the right thing to do, don't let the paranoia get the best of you. If you're really convinced that this is like always AA, then just flat with JJ and play for set value, don't reraise then fold under any circumstances.

[sapsuckah]

It's not the minraise alone that's scary, but the minraise with the push over a big raise. And yeah, I know this is serious MUBS but I see it a lot, especially at the low levels at which I play.

[BarryLyndon]

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Monsters under the bed etc. I had a villain take this exact line with me the other night in the 55k and it was 88. I personally think this is more likely to be AK than QQ, so I wouldn't take much weight from AK. From what you're saying it reads like you think this is AA like 90% of the time, and I don't know how else to say it, but that just isn't true. Maybe it's happened a few times in a row, but getting it in here is the right thing to do, don't let the paranoia get the best of you. If you're really convinced that this is like always AA, then just flat with JJ and play for set value, don't reraise then fold under any circumstances.

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Yeah, seriously. I mean, you are in what is essentially a blind battle here. 1010 is going to RR all in all the time because, maybe 99. Once you factor the 1010 in, I mean, it's a call.

Barry

[erc007]

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would you have called here hoping he had AK?...I was confused by the minraise thinking he had AA.


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Once u 3-bet, the call is automatic. You're getting almost 2 to 1, and u have 40% equity vs a range as narrow as: KK+;AKs;AKo (villain's actual range will prob be much wider.)