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10-13-2007, 06:03 PM
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Re: Al Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I didn't know the Nobel organization gave out a prize for fiction. [/ QUOTE ] Quoted For Stupidity [/ QUOTE ] Truth is stupidity War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength [/ QUOTE ] It ain't a crime if you don't get caught It ain't a sale if it don't get bought It ain't a job if you don't get paid She ain't a ho if you don't get laid 
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#42
10-13-2007, 10:43 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I didn't know the Nobel organization gave out a prize for fiction. [/ QUOTE ] Quoted For Stupidity [/ QUOTE ] Truth is stupidity War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength [/ QUOTE ] Thanks George. People are kidding themselves if they do not think the human race is gradually destroying this planet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#44
10-13-2007, 11:40 PM
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I am just amazed/saddened that this low-IQ drivel could qualify for a Nobel (even in peace). Scary... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#45
10-14-2007, 03:59 AM
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- living through WW1/2 etc was a disaster for huge numbers of people - THEIR would did fall into the gutter. A few generations later it makes not a jot of difference. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The past makes more than a jot of difference on the present. The colonization and arbitrary border drawing done by European powers, for example, continues to cause a ton of problems. Iraq and Israel/Palestine are the ones most currently relevant. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah current calamaties still make a difference and some current calamaties are in part a consequence of past calamaties but the example was illustrative and these wars are still comparatively recent. Hows the black death affecting you, the last ice age? Current calamaties fairly soon become footnotes in history, what do you think the expected effect of WW2 is in people living in the year 3000, what about the year 20,000? Eventually even last nights glory in Paris will be just a footnote. I know its hard to believe but it will. [ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Possibly more than irrelevnt in that the future generations tend to do rather well from disasters in the past. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In some cases, such as developing disease immunities, but certainly not in all cases. [/ QUOTE ] Not talking about all cases, talking about expectations. huge benefits from disasters like wars are technical innovations. [ QUOTE ] First, how are those suffering during the crisis and the aftermath not "future generations"? You are equating "future generations" with "all future generations". Saying someone cares about future generations does not mean their given specific concerns must be relevant for those in the year 5000. This is a nitpick, but it seems to render the argument between you two somewhat irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] the argument is irrelevent because he didn't get the point I was making and confused future generations to the calamity with people involved with it. I think he also mistakenly thought I was criticising someone he generally supports or arguing against the evidence for climate change. chez
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#46
10-14-2007, 04:09 AM
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Re: Al Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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[ QUOTE ] No he doesn't seem to care about future generation - that's the point. If he really did then climate change is almost irrelevent. Possibly more than irrelevnt in that the future generations tend to do rather well from disasters in the past. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is absurd on its face. Or, at the least, suggests that we should be actively causing disasters for the betterment of humanity. Who's taking donations so we can steer big asteroids INTO collision paths? [/ QUOTE ] true, you do have to think about it a little bit to realise its not absurd. Then the suggestion you've made would obviously not follow. Its a simple point I made which was about human ego and a slight abuse of language. Again: When people talk in apocalyptic terms for most of the the consequences of climate change they are talking about a disaster for the THEIR world (THEIR world includes the future generations in rapidly diminishing importance becoming negligable within a few hundred years). As I said they're correct about this because the lack of a jot of caring about people in 1000 years time is cancelled out by the fact the calamity wont effect these people a jot. The jots cancel out. you have to work to see this as an attack on Al Gore (remember I'm English not American so while Paris matters I know little of Al Gore except he invented the internet) or disagreement with the scientists. chez
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#47
10-14-2007, 04:28 AM
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If we are destroying the planet or not is an interesting question but anyone who thinks the evidence Gore presents is legitimate science doesn't have a clue. [/ QUOTE ] What about those of us who cared enough to research further and found the same conclusions?? Also, why do you feel his presentation was so horrible?? Though he didn't present much, what he did present was fairly weighted.
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#48
10-14-2007, 05:41 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I didn't know the Nobel organization gave out a prize for fiction. [/ QUOTE ] Quoted For Stupidity [/ QUOTE ] Truth is stupidity War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength [/ QUOTE ] Thanks George. People are kidding themselves if they do not think the human race is gradually destroying this planet. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Of course we are. It's just CO2 causing global warming that's a crock. All the other pollution and environmental stuff is bad news.
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#49
10-14-2007, 05:42 AM
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I am just amazed/saddened that this low-IQ drivel could qualify for a Nobel (even in peace). Scary... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] The Nobel Prize board should be made up only of former prize winners... and not Peace Prizes.
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#50
10-14-2007, 08:20 AM
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Re: Al Gore Wins Nobel Peace Prize
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[ QUOTE ] If we are destroying the planet or not is an interesting question but anyone who thinks the evidence Gore presents is legitimate science doesn't have a clue. [/ QUOTE ] What about those of us who cared enough to research further and found the same conclusions?? [/ QUOTE ] My general experience is that vast majority of individuals who support global warming are hippies with no possibility of critical thought. A smaller group actually do try to make an informed decision but they are greatly outnumbered by the ones who simply drank the kool-aid. So what research led you to conclude that GW is real and caused by C02? [ QUOTE ] Also, why do you feel his presentation was so horrible?? Though he didn't present much, what he did present was fairly weighted. [/ QUOTE ] Anytime someone resorts to deceptive tactics and half truths it is because they know they couldn't sell you on their thesis without those deceptions.
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