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Old 10-13-2007, 07:37 PM
Damani311 Damani311 is offline
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Default A great hand against the villain player....played it too hard?

I'm not sure....this guy calls EVERYTHING i bet, assumes i'm a complete donk, and claims he's getting all my money.....i know i have the best hand, is there a better extraction method? Or am i setting myself up to only get called by hands that beat me?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $47
BB: $178.75
UTG: $52.05
CO: $104.65
BTN: $21.15

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3

Turn: ($9) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $13.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $42.50 and is All-In</font>
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Old 10-13-2007, 07:45 PM
castigar castigar is offline
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Default Re: A great hand against the villain player....played it too hard?

&gt;&gt;&gt; this guy calls EVERYTHING i bet

&gt;&gt;&gt;Or am i setting myself up to only get called by hands that beat me?


If you have that read...why ask the question?
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Old 10-13-2007, 07:47 PM
Jever Jever is offline
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Default Re: A great hand against the villain player....played it too hard?

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&gt;&gt;&gt; this guy calls EVERYTHING i bet

&gt;&gt;&gt;Or am i setting myself up to only get called by hands that beat me?


If you have that read...why ask the question?

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Yrly
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:22 PM
willyc willyc is offline
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Default Re: A great hand against the villain player....played it too hard?

Unfortunately you don't really beat anything here. If this guy is your typical calling station I don't think he's bluffing here. He makes his money by calling with trash and flopping/turning/rivering a big hand and stacking a TAG who falls in love with his hand preflop and isn't capable of laying it down. If he made a move at you on the flop it might be a bluff, but a turn raise here almost always means you're beat. Calling stations usually aren't capable of making this kind of bluff on the turn. Again he makes his money by you calling with the worst hand here, not by you folding. The only time I would shove is with a good read that this guy makes this sort of play to try and move weak-tight players off their hand - sometimes you get a LAG at the table who does that - but without any reads I give him credit for a full house.
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:50 PM
takingcontrol takingcontrol is offline
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Default Re: A great hand against the villain player....played it too hard?

guh, yeah. tough spot. crap talking makes it even tougher however- fold, reload and wait for a better spot.

As played, if you think he's fos alot of the time in this spot then there's no shame in just flat calling on the turn.
I think in order for your shove to be even worth a thought, we need to be able to put him on EXACTLY 88/99/or ace high or a flush draw, and also rest assured that he'll call with these hands.
Also, when you're playing OOP - a larger preflop raise will make his trashy hands less profitable and your decisions easier later in the hand. Against this villain, if he's truly calling everything you bet- Punish him.
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:53 PM
vixticator vixticator is offline
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Default Re: A great hand against the villain player....played it too hard?

Call, c/c river if you think you have the best hand here. Unless he's calling with Ax, any pair, etc., on push. Then it's fine. He can't bluff call. Make an aggressive call on turn and let him hang on river.
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