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Old 10-13-2007, 03:35 AM
Vinetou Vinetou is offline
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Default 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

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Hero ($200)
Button ($120)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $38</font>, Button calls $28.

Flop: ($76) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $162</font>,

This is the first hand with this villain. Not really sure why I did this. Pretty weird line. His small bet seems like he has worse hand than mine and it was a donkish enough bet that I thought he might call me with it.
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:11 AM
The72o The72o is offline
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

I don't like this 3bet, this is your 1st hand vs 60bb deep unknown, with marginal hand oop.
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

you don't really want him to shove pre do you?

- i don't vote for a 3bet here with no history, he did open for 5X afterall.
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:17 PM
Michaelson Michaelson is offline
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

Do you know if you are calling a shove preflop? Stack sizes pretty much suck to 3-bet this hand against an unknown IMO, I just take a flop.

As played, as soon as you flop second pair, with that much in the pot already, the money's going in as far as I'm concerned. So for me the check raise has nothing to do with the small flop bet giving you information, it's just the most rational way to get your chips into the pot after you flop second pair in a re-raised pot against a shortstack.
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:50 PM
KexChoklad123 KexChoklad123 is offline
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

Without a read it is so hard to tell. Some players will snapcall with 55 if you push, some might fold JJ or even a Q. I dunno. Without a read I think it is suicide to raise preflop, unless you are bluffing
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Old 10-13-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

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Do you know if you are calling a shove preflop? Stack sizes pretty much suck to 3-bet this hand against an unknown IMO, I just take a flop.

As played, as soon as you flop second pair, with that much in the pot already, the money's going in as far as I'm concerned. So for me the check raise has nothing to do with the small flop bet giving you information, it's just the most rational way to get your chips into the pot after you flop second pair in a re-raised pot against a shortstack.

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Agree.
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

preflop is pretty bad, but flop is fine.
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:49 AM
Vinetou Vinetou is offline
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

Why all of you advice not to reraise preflop? This is my default play. Is it so wrong?
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Old 10-14-2007, 04:32 AM
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

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Why all of you advice not to reraise preflop? This is my default play. Is it so wrong?

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I think that given how early in the match it is most people would prefer to wait until they have a read. The villain can put you in some really awkward situations here if you don't know how he plays.
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Old 10-14-2007, 04:35 AM
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Default Re: 200NL middle pair reraised pot strange line by both villain and me

You guys are probably right. I suck preflop. I will create another thread in the future about preflop play. I suck so bad preflop.

I was more interested in my flop play, if I am prepared to play for all of his stack here now I reraised him preflop.
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