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Old 10-11-2007, 12:49 PM
Morrek Morrek is offline
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

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why isnt it difficult? what do u put villain on?

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9x?
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Old 10-11-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

pff, more combos of other [censored].
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Old 10-11-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

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Also, those advocating betting the turn, what worse hand calls?

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If the information you've provided regarding reads is accurate, then sounds like K anything.

I think you should've taken control of the hand on the turn to keep from putting yourself in the awkward position that you're in now. But as played, this is a def fold no matter if he bet 200 or 700.
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

GRUNCH: I fold turn. i don't think he's betting turn with anything you beat after BB's flop call.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:19 PM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

either he's got a 9, a set, or nothing. could also be blowing you off a king chop. but yea, bet the turn and you'll have a better idea where you stand (he shouldnt be bluffraising the 9 with a dude behind him who very well could have it)
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Old 10-11-2007, 04:47 PM
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

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either he's got a 9, a set, or nothing. could also be blowing you off a king chop. but yea, bet the turn and you'll have a better idea where you stand (he shouldnt be bluffraising the 9 with a dude behind him who very well could have it)

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Old 10-11-2007, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

this particular villain has you crushed like >80% of the time
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

betting to "find out where u stand" is [censored] since the only way u will find out is when u either miss value or he bluffraises u. its just another one of those countless spots where people choose to take an easily played line and not the most profitable one. just because he can put u in an awkward spot on the river doesnt mean u should pssy out like that. sometimes u just have to grit ur teeth and call.

those saying the river is a definite fold, are u saying that the correct folding frequency, game theoretically speaking, is 100%? seriously, this is so exploitable. its an excellent spot for him to push around someone he perceives to be a weak regular when a scare card falls. u HAVE TO call atleast sometimes here, and i MUCH prefer 100% to 0%.
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:06 PM
luegofuego luegofuego is offline
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

also we know villain posts here a lot so it might be valuable if he chimes in
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: $400nl, I has a pair...

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also we know villain posts here a lot so it might be valuable if he chimes in

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i was just made privy to that information and probably changes things a bit.

if the hand was HU id say def call, what worries me is it just seems a bit reckless to be bluffing JT/QJ into two other people on the turn, which is what we are counting on if we call river
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