25nl JJ vs lag/maniac

vixticator · #1 10-11-2007, 02:11 AM

He's 44/24/2.25 but I don't think he's just giving away $$ PF. I could be wrong. This makes me sick. Call or fold? He got all his money flop set vs someone post-flop... so wtf?

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SB ($38.30)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($10.55)
MP ($125.55)
Hero ($37)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1, MP raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP raises to $45

trixter23 · #2 10-11-2007, 02:17 AM

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He's 44/24/2.25 but I don't think he's just giving away $$ PF. I could be wrong. This makes me sick. Call or fold? He got all his money flop set vs someone post-flop... so wtf?

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Over how many hands?

vixticator · #3 10-11-2007, 02:24 AM

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He's 44/24/2.25 but I don't think he's just giving away $$ PF. I could be wrong. This makes me sick. Call or fold? He got all his money flop set vs someone post-flop... so wtf?

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Over how many hands?

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trixter23 · #4 10-11-2007, 02:43 AM

I can't see you being ahead here. At best you're flipping with AQ+. I don't think he plays 9s or 10s like this. Considering UTG's stack size, it looks like his raise was to induce a shove from the shorty. The original raiser could have shoved on you and easily showed QQ+.. If you're going to 4 bet, I'm not thriled about a fold to an all in. I would have folded pre and watch the shorty stack off.

creamfillin · #5 10-11-2007, 02:46 AM

4-betting sucks here because no one really flats them and if they do you know you are in dangerous territory. I'm leaning towards a call/fold unless you've seen villain 3-bet alot.

kurto · #6 10-11-2007, 02:53 AM

if he's raising 25 percent of hands he's got to be giving it up somewhat preflop.

I think he's likely to reraise a lot of pocket pairs,good aces...

obviously differnt maniacs play differently (some openraise a lot but rarely reraise other players)

Still, JJ is a reasonable hand to put up against his range... especially if he 3 bets a lot.

21SuicideKing21 · #7 10-11-2007, 02:57 AM

FOLD, yeah only hand I see you're beating is AK.

kurto · #8 10-11-2007, 03:06 AM

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FOLD, yeah only hand I see you're beating is AK.

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I'm not saying a fold is bad here... but AK is HARDLY the only hand you're beating going up against a maniac.

I've had these guys 3bet and push with JQs.

trixter23 · #9 10-11-2007, 03:09 AM

I dont think we can clearly label him a maniac yet. We only have 40 hands on him, op has stated he doesnt think hes giving money away pf...(he could be wrong), and he got all his money with a set on the flop

21SuicideKing21 · #10 10-11-2007, 03:10 AM

45 hands is nothing, the guy could very well be using his stack to push you around, but to me I would open his range a little bit more to AQ and up. I would think the 4 bet is just a good indication to get out of the hand. Only way I would stick JJ in like that is if I knew more about the player and have seen him play this aggressive PF and seen him stick it in with JJ or worse.