Smoking Bans and Crimes?

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Bill Gates is the biggest crook in the world. He stole the idea of computers from steve jobs and just made the operating system. And by the way, If theodore roosevelt was alive when bill gates had his monopoly I absoloutely guarentee you he would have trust busted that thing in no time

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It's the truth.

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sigh.

[TheBigPicture]

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He stole the idea of computers


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This is a pretty sick dalimanesque moment for you.

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I apologize to the poster for it getting this off topic, but what / who is dalimanesque? i dont know the regulars on here.

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Also, serious answer: something can be against the law (smoking in a restaurant) but doing it is not a crime. There are different types of laws, the violation of every law does not constitute a crime.

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That's what I'm trying to say!

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OK, I get it. This is a misdameanor-type offense or some such. However, just because the name of the class is "Economics of Crimes" doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be discussed there. Nobody would ever title a course "Economics of Crimes, Misdemeanors, Infractions and Copyright Infringement".

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I have yet to find an article that states anything about the crime or violation of smoking bans. Everything I find is basically about the effects of smoking bans on health, restaurants...

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Check what i quoted above. $100 fine in Washington state.

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Yes I saw that, and thanks for quoting it. Yeah, looking into the code will result in some useful information, but I need an article. I have an article that states that restaurants with bars are being affected, and some bars are exempt for specific reasons. I still do not believe it's a crime. Nobody is going to be arrested and have on their record "Smoking during a smoking ban." Civil Law and Criminal Law is different.

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This is not a brick wall thread imo (Except for TheBigPicture).

Also it seems to pretty much always be a health code violation. So yah i wouldn't expect you to ever see that when looking up someone's record.

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I think that's why drunk driving is just a little more illegal than smoking.

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And it is even with smoking bans. You can't drunk-drive anywhere, but you can't smoke only in places of employment and "public" places. And the level of punishment is way different. So I don't know where you disagree with me.

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Also it seems to pretty much always be a health code violation. So yah i wouldn't expect you to ever see that when looking up someone's record.

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So does that make it a crime?

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This is what the course objective states on the syllabus:

"The purpose of this course is to analyze issues related to crime from an economic standpoint. Blah blah blah. The majority of the semester will be spent using these tools to analyze a variety of criminal issues."

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Also it seems to pretty much always be a health code violation. So yah i wouldn't expect you to ever see that when looking up someone's record.

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So does that make it a crime?

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I have no idea, i would guess not. At a minimum I think there are better crime's to look at for how they impact society at an economic level. But i think you are fighting a losing battle and should just do the assignment even though it sucks.

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OK, I get it. This is a misdameanor-type offense or some such.

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No, a misdemeanor is still a crime.

Breaking a law can be a crime (violation, misdemeanor, or felony) or an infraction.

Here in NYC it is not a crime to smoke in a bar or to allow smoking in your bar. It is, however, an infraction of the health code for the bar owner to allow it.

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Learn something new every day. Thanks for clarifying this point for me.

What I was trying to get at was that the title of the class may be misworded and was intended to include more broad law-breaking activities that may not necessarily be subject to criminal law.

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Note I edited my post. A violation is not a crime (at lead according to NY state penal code

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This is what the course objective states on the syllabus:

"The purpose of this course is to analyze issues related to crime from an economic standpoint. Blah blah blah. The majority of the semester will be spent using these tools to analyze a variety of criminal issues."

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The professor has a cop-out in wording "The majority of the semester". Doesn't say 100% there.

Why does it bother you so much, by the way? Will you be one of those cops that fight the system to make things right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If so, you won't last long [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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OK, I get it. This is a misdameanor-type offense or some such.

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No, a misdemeanor is still a crime.

Breaking a law can be a crime (violation, misdemeanor, or felony) or an infraction.

Here in NYC it is not a crime to smoke in a bar or to allow smoking in your bar. It is, however, an infraction of the health code for the bar owner to allow it.

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Learn something new every day. Thanks for clarifying this point for me.

What I was trying to get at was that the title of the class may be misworded and was intended to include more broad law-breaking activities that may not necessarily be subject to criminal law.

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Note I edited my post. A violation is not a crime (at lead according to NY state penal code

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Wiki agrees:

"An Infraction in legal sense (minor offense, minor violation, petty offense, or frequently citation, sometimes used as synonymous with violation, regulatory offense, welfare offense, or contravention) is a "petty" violation of the law less serious than a misdemeanor.

Typically, an infraction is a violation of a rule or local ordinance or regulation.

Some refer to an infraction as quasi-criminal, because conviction for an infraction is generally not associated with the loss of liberty, or even social stigma. Infractions are often considered civil cases, in which case an infraction is not even considered a crime. "