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10-10-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] The only crime is that there are smoking bans anywhere, for any reason. As your president, I will enforce mandatory smoking in the childrens oncology wings of hospitals, in the fresh food areas of grocery stores, and in the faces of soccer moms and their ugly babies. I will also enforce mandatory post-birth abortions of anyone I deem unfit to have been born. mbillie1 '08 [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for making this post, you really made my job easier. This pretty much sums up the attitude of the anti-smoking Nazis and is a big reason why I, even as a non-smoker, oppose smoking bans. Anti-smoking crusaders are some of the most patronizing, condescending, holier-than-thou people I have ever met. Why does your "right" to smoke-free air take precedence over a smoker's right to make a choice, however harmful to his health it may be? Sorry, this isn't Animal Farm; you are not more equal than a smoker. Stop pretending like you're better than everyone else because you don't smoke. [/ QUOTE ] QFT, but tell that to all the d-bags in this forum who clearly feel they are better than everyone else because they don't smoke. 
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10-10-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] Oh yes they are when they are being smoked in an area the law has deemed illegal. [/ QUOTE ] Again dude... "against the law" does not automatically = "crime". It's illegal to have a monopoly. Was Bill Gates arrested? No, he was told to change the business structure, given a timeframe to do it in, etc. Same with this. There are plenty of things that are against the law that are not "crimes" [/ QUOTE ] Bill Gates is the biggest crook in the world. He stole the idea of computers from steve jobs and just made the operating system. And by the way, If theodore roosevelt was alive when bill gates had his monopoly I absoloutely guarentee you he would have trust busted that thing in no time
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10-10-2007, 05:51 PM
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Bill Gates is the biggest crook in the world. He stole the idea of computers from steve jobs and just made the operating system. And by the way, If theodore roosevelt was alive when bill gates had his monopoly I absoloutely guarentee you he would have trust busted that thing in no time [/ QUOTE ] 
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10-10-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, serious answer: something can be against the law (smoking in a restaurant) but doing it is not a crime. There are different types of laws, the violation of every law does not constitute a crime. [/ QUOTE ] That's what I'm trying to say! [/ QUOTE ] OK, I get it. This is a misdameanor-type offense or some such. However, just because the name of the class is "Economics of Crimes" doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be discussed there. Nobody would ever title a course "Economics of Crimes, Misdemeanors, Infractions and Copyright Infringement". [/ QUOTE ] I have yet to find an article that states anything about the crime or violation of smoking bans. Everything I find is basically about the effects of smoking bans on health, restaurants... [/ QUOTE ] Check what i quoted above. $100 fine in Washington state.
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10-10-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, serious answer: something can be against the law (smoking in a restaurant) but doing it is not a crime. There are different types of laws, the violation of every law does not constitute a crime. [/ QUOTE ] That's what I'm trying to say! [/ QUOTE ] OK, I get it. This is a misdameanor-type offense or some such. [/ QUOTE ] No, a misdemeanor is still a crime. Breaking a law can be a crime ( misdemeanor, or felony) or a violation or infraction. Here in NYC it is not a crime to smoke in a bar or to allow smoking in your bar. It is, however, an infraction of the health code for the bar owner to allow it.
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10-10-2007, 05:54 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] Why does your "right" to smoke-free air take precedence over a smoker's right to make a choice, however harmful to his health it may be? Sorry, this isn't Animal Farm; you are not more equal than a smoker. Stop pretending like you're better than everyone else because you don't smoke. [/ QUOTE ] Let's hijack ItalianFX's thread, why not. Why does your right to drive or cross streets safely take precedence over another person's right to "make a choice, however harmful to his health it may be". Drunk driving laws should be kicked to the curb! [/ QUOTE ] Nice argument One instance of drunk driving poses a large risk of death or serious injury to everyone in the population. One instance of being exposed to secondhand smoke will almost surely not do any long-term damage. I think that's why drunk driving is just a little more illegal than smoking.
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10-10-2007, 05:55 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also, serious answer: something can be against the law (smoking in a restaurant) but doing it is not a crime. There are different types of laws, the violation of every law does not constitute a crime. [/ QUOTE ] That's what I'm trying to say! [/ QUOTE ] OK, I get it. This is a misdameanor-type offense or some such. However, just because the name of the class is "Economics of Crimes" doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be discussed there. Nobody would ever title a course "Economics of Crimes, Misdemeanors, Infractions and Copyright Infringement". [/ QUOTE ] I have yet to find an article that states anything about the crime or violation of smoking bans. Everything I find is basically about the effects of smoking bans on health, restaurants... [/ QUOTE ] Check what i quoted above. $100 fine in Washington state. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I saw that, and thanks for quoting it. Yeah, looking into the code will result in some useful information, but I need an article. I have an article that states that restaurants with bars are being affected, and some bars are exempt for specific reasons. I still do not believe it's a crime. Nobody is going to be arrested and have on their record "Smoking during a smoking ban." Civil Law and Criminal Law is different. Yes, I'm a brickwall.
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10-10-2007, 05:56 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] Bill Gates is the biggest crook in the world. He stole the idea of computers from steve jobs and just made the operating system. And by the way, If theodore roosevelt was alive when bill gates had his monopoly I absoloutely guarentee you he would have trust busted that thing in no time [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] It's the truth.
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#30
10-10-2007, 05:57 PM
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Re: Smoking Bans and Crimes?
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[ QUOTE ] OK, I get it. This is a misdameanor-type offense or some such. [/ QUOTE ] No, a misdemeanor is still a crime. Breaking a law can be a crime (violation, misdemeanor, or felony) or an infraction. Here in NYC it is not a crime to smoke in a bar or to allow smoking in your bar. It is, however, an infraction of the health code for the bar owner to allow it. [/ QUOTE ] Learn something new every day. Thanks for clarifying this point for me. What I was trying to get at was that the title of the class may be misworded and was intended to include more broad law-breaking activities that may not necessarily be subject to criminal law.
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