WSOP on ESPN thread (10/9 - ME Final Table) - Page 41

Rottersod · #**401** 10-10-2007, 01:41 PM

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I like Kalmar's move there and wish more people would do it. I called you, so turn over your cards. It's simple.

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It's also a dick move

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With the plays Yang was making there was absolutely nothing wrong or dickish about that move.

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Personally, I think it's MORE of a dick move to lead the action and then try to duck out of showing your cards. I would have made him show every time.

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grdred944 · #**402** 10-10-2007, 01:44 PM

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"It's your decision". He should've never started talking.

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Not including you but some here are beating up on Rahme way too much. Out of 6000+ players, a small percentage represent themselves as true professionals. Pro or amatuer, anyone who can make it ot the final table deserves some props. Maybe I missed something but he strikes me as just another amatuer thrilled with the experience of having made it to the final table and cashing for north of a million.

"It's your decision..." was the absolute worst comment he could make in that situation.

Rottersod · #**403** 10-10-2007, 01:48 PM

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"It's your decision". He should've never started talking.

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Not including you but some here are beating up on Rahme way too much. Out of 6000+ players, a small percentage represent themselves as true professionals. Pro or amatuer, anyone who can make it ot the final table deserves some props. Maybe I missed something but he strikes me as just another amatuer thrilled with the experience of having made it to the final table and cashing for north of a million.

"It's your decision..." was the absolute worst comment he could make in that situation.

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Nobody's beating up on him. We recognize he is what he is. That doesn't mean we can't criticize him for talking at the wrong moment - although Yang was calling anyways. If you watched it live you saw what kind of a player he really was. Tight, tight, tight, prone to tilt.

grdred944 · #**404** 10-10-2007, 01:53 PM

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"It's your decision". He should've never started talking.

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Not including you but some here are beating up on Rahme way too much. Out of 6000+ players, a small percentage represent themselves as true professionals. Pro or amatuer, anyone who can make it ot the final table deserves some props. Maybe I missed something but he strikes me as just another amatuer thrilled with the experience of having made it to the final table and cashing for north of a million.

"It's your decision..." was the absolute worst comment he could make in that situation.

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Nobody's beating up on him. We recognize he is what he is. That doesn't mean we can't criticize him for talking at the wrong moment - although Yang was calling anyways. If you watched it live you saw what kind of a player he really was. Tight, tight, tight, prone to tilt.

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Nobody? C'mon. I wrote some. And yes, some are.

olivert · #**405** 10-10-2007, 02:07 PM

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Jerry Yang seems really FOS to me. Between the bizzare Bill Elder thing, and other stuff, I just feel like he's just saying whatever he thinks will make people like him.

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Agreed. Seemed like his in-play talk was because he felt he had to be dramatic. If we could have a window into his head during those tanks (which were like 10x longer in reality) I doubt there would be much other than tumbleweed and some crucifixes blowing by. His postgame/interview speeches about helping people with the money seemed very trite and insincere.

Some other things:
1) The praying. Aside from being a horribly insulting and embarrassing use of faith, at least ESPN trimmed it down. On the PPV there was a lot more chanting that got dialed down for this broadcast.

SHOW ME YOUR MIRACLES FATHER!

2) wtf with "you have a friend for life" as people busted out. I can imagine that making a huge run at the WSOP for a ton of money is a very emotional thing. But LOL at trying to portray a poker tournament like some huge spiritual journey. I would hesitate from making BFF claims about people simply because you ended up playing poker with them.

3) National pride day. Did ESPN pass out flags to everyone in the stands? Drumming up the international angle was fine at first, but it was clearly contrived by the end. Made the whole thing seem like a joke with the "USA" chant to finish it off. Weak.

Could have been a decent broadcast I guess were it not for all the morons they had to show.

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1. We are talking about a TV show that was cut to provide entertainment value to about 1.8 million first-run viewers, about half of which do NOT watch any other form of poker on TV during the year.

A lot of what makes an "entertaining" TV show is contrived or pre-planned in some way.

If you paid attention to what Hevad Khan said during the "up close and personal" segment during part 1 of the 2007 WSOP ME Final table show, you would have picked up on what Khan figured out: he is part of an entertainment TV show, not an instructional video or a news documentary.

ESPN anchor Steve Levy gave the following instruction to contestants of Dream Job a few years ago: "You are on ESPN, not CNN."

2. As for the flags: they were my idea, not ESPN's.

With 3 clients at the final table (I did their single-event product endorsement deals), I decided to buy flags for two of my clients who are citizens of their particular countries: a Danish flag for Philip Hilm's friend Lars Bonding, and a Russian flag for the Russian immigrants who showed up to support Alex Kravchenko.

[I did NOT buy a flag for Jerry Yang because he is NOT an American yet. He abandoned his Laotian citizenship when he fled to Thailand as a refugee. Even though Jerry has been a US permanent resident (Green Card Holder) for many years, he did NOT apply for US Citizenship until after the main event. The backlog for citizenship applications is 18-24 months.]

I also bought a American flag for Lee Watkinson's fiancee Timmi DeRosa at her request.

I did tell the supporters of Lam (Canada), Rahme (South Africa), and Kalmar (UK) that if they wanted to have flags in the arena, they could go to a flag shop on the 2nd floor of the Strastophere Casino.

Rahme's group bought 5 South African flags, while Lam's group bought over a dozen Canadian flags.

I wanted as many flags of as many countries as possible in the arena for a specific purpose: the video, which will eventually be shopped around by ESPN International Syndication on behalf of Harrah's Entertainment at trade shows around the world (i.e. Sportel in Monaco, Shanghai, and Miami) to TV buyers and government gambling monopoly officials, has to illustrate that poker is no longer an "American-only" game and televised poker is no longer an "American-only" entertainment product.

The composition of the 2007 WSOP ME FT, with only 3 out 9 players holding U.S. citizenship (Childs, Khan, and Watkinson), represents the present and future of poker.

We are probably closer to having a WSOP ME FT with ZERO U.S. citizens than 9 U.S. citizens.

The "globalization" of Texas Hold'em, and the "localization" of marketing and video efforts, will be the driving force for growth.

441 Productions, the New York-based company that produced the 2007 WSOP Main Event TV show for ESPN, is heavily involved in the globalization/localization efforts. 441 has the contract to produce video for the PokerStars.net Asia Pacific Poker Tour (APPT), which has aspirations to penetrate the biggest gambling markets in the world.

The big push for poker, in the next 5 to 7 years, will be in gambling-obsessive cultures in Asia, where government monopolies will be in firm control of the pheonmenon. Those government officials in those territories will have be convinced that poker does NOT threaten their existing gambling monopoly revenue streams in order to allow poker to be shown on TV.

Lode201 · #**406** 10-10-2007, 02:10 PM

I'm suspecting this year's main event winner will have a similar effect on poker as moneymaker had, just the other way around. I quit poker after having seen him call out for god several times. I find it such a disgusting thing.

Then when Yang blew his load after sucking out on lee childs I felt like punching him in the face.

KneeCo · #**407** 10-10-2007, 02:14 PM

only watched the first ep so far, some thoughts:
- this FT sucks, no one here would be a good champion for the game.
- Oh man, the god stuff is tilt inducing.
- That guy with the Stewie Tshirt should not have asked to see the mucked hand. Beyond the fact that it's just douchey, Yang has 22 or something there sometimes.
- Also, re: stewie shirt, Family Guy hasn't been funny in like 4 years, get a new shirt.
- People I know who have met him say Khan is a good guy, so I'll take their word for it, but he's horrible on tv, and his play, especially but not exclusively the dark push, sucked.
- Yang isn't championship caliber by any means, but if I were to list like the 5-10 worst plays in that ep, I don't think any would be his.
- This FT sucks.

ShizzMoney · #**408** 10-10-2007, 02:14 PM

Jerry Yang prays to God, he wins WSOP ME.

I pray to God, a piedgon sh*ts on my car.

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MasterShakeJr · #**409** 10-10-2007, 02:26 PM

LOL at Bill Gazes. Well played Shizz.

boscoe1 · #**410** 10-10-2007, 03:25 PM

that was the worst final table of any year.