(24) QQ on ugly flop

jonkeponke · #1 10-08-2007, 07:21 PM

villian is like 2/2 throughout the SNG, so they've played one hand. i've been somewhat more active than normal since i've been getting decent hands, but have not shown down any. convertor is somewhat messed up so i put pot size and raise amts in manually.

Full Tilt (7 handed)
Full Tilt Poker Game #3796324455: $22 + $2 Sit & Go (Turbo) (28917836), Table 1 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:56:46 ET - 2007/10/08
Seat 1: 50sweet (2,040)
Seat 2: HERO (2,370)
Seat 3: sohowdoiplay (1,565)
Seat 4: Lucid75 (1,765)
Seat 5: VILLIAN (1,745)
Seat 6: Eddie1725 (3,185)
Seat 9: matpok21 (830)
Eddie1725 posts the small blind of 80
matpok21 posts the big blind of 160
Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of 80.
1 fold, Hero raises to 480, 2 folds, Button calls 480, 2 folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players) 1100 IN POT
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players) 1100 IN POT
Hero checks, Button bets 640

so, am i crazy for just simply not tossing the hand? I'm giving villian credit for being competent in SNGs, and that they would reship me with AK or AQ, and not simply call with an ace. I figured preflop it was more like 77-TT, where they want to see a flop and then decide what to do from there. I didn't bet the flop because I figure everything I beat folds and everything I lose to calls.

On the turn, same thing. When they bet around half the pot, it could be something like 77, or maybe TT deciding to just take control in the hand. Or I'm being WAY to over-analytical for a SNG. What does everyone think? Is there value in trying to pick off a bluff or should we just release?

Little John · #2 10-08-2007, 07:37 PM

just a gross spot with stacks/pot imo.

i think you have to call the turn bet.

drzen · #3 10-08-2007, 07:57 PM

I think your reasoning is pretty good, but I'd fear that the guy either had called with AK or had trapped me with AA, possibly even KK. The tards I play against have 66 in this spot always, so think yourself lucky. Anyway, villain is pretty much pot-committed, so don't just call. Put him all in.

jonkeponke · #4 10-08-2007, 08:20 PM

i dont know if i should think that slowplay aa could be a possibility, though i doubt he would take the above line with KK given that he has 11 blinds. he'd have 8 BB postflop in a 7.5 BB pot, though i guess you can't immediately dismiss it based on how tight he is PF.

i shoved for what its worth. i'd like to get some more replies before posting results, because i thought it was sort of an interesting hand.