Top 2 pairs on 9TJ

castigar · #1 10-07-2007, 05:43 PM

Vilain is a tag 24/15/4 on 50 hands. Is this spew or is it simply a cooler?

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($54.80)
MP ($46.35)
CO ($50)
Hero ($52.75)
SB ($48.60)
BB ($48.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $9, Hero raises to $51 (All-In), BB calls $37.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($101.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)
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River: ($101.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $101.50

john voight · #2 10-07-2007, 05:47 PM

hero is rarely calling with less than JT IMO.

Sometimes your up vs draw+pair, but usually he has strait, top2, or set.

is calling an option? I prolly reluctantly call, but IMO thats a spew as well. best play is prolly b/f.

kolotoure · #3 10-07-2007, 05:48 PM

If there weren't a million horrible turn cards I would like a flop call but you can't really do that on this board. This is just a really bad spot imo

Logun · #4 10-07-2007, 06:10 PM

BB range might be TJ, JQ KQ, 78, 89 and then possibly AJ, KJ

I don't really mind the play but I think you are committing your stack in a marginal situation

castigar · #5 10-07-2007, 06:15 PM

what do you suggest? b/f ? seems quite weak.

Speirsy · #6 10-07-2007, 06:19 PM

b/f sucks really hard IMO.

I probably just call the raise and reevaluate turn. I think by moving in here we're basically turning our hand into a bluff as I think there are very few hands that can call here that we're ahead of, AA, KK, QQ, pretty unlikely due to preflop, so really only worse 2 pairs and maybe qj can call, and I dont think they make up a big enough part of his range to make this +ev

kolotoure · #7 10-07-2007, 06:24 PM

That doesn't mean we are turning our hand into a bluff

Shattered · #8 10-07-2007, 06:27 PM

His calling range pretty much has you crushed: I think it's mostly spew. The only hands you beat that can call are QJ, maybe QQ or KK (but those are probably 3-bet PF). You're also making it really easy for him to get away from a worse two pair.

Folding feels really weak. Calling and reevaluating turn in position is probably the best option.

Speirsy · #9 10-07-2007, 06:28 PM

If we're folding out all (nearly) all worse hands and only getting called by better hands it seems like turning your hand into a bluff to me.

If there was a flush draw on the flop Id agree with you but I think if were ahead just now, Im only really worried about a q,k or 8 on the turn

klownage · #10 10-07-2007, 06:55 PM

I think flop shove is pretty horrible unless villain is even more horrible (e.g. would call shove with AA/KK/AJ etc.)

I would just flat call the flop, and re-eval on turn.