Yet another turn I'm not happy about. JJ HU with just one oc.

Buck Naked · #1 10-07-2007, 03:47 PM

Villain is 29/20/3 over ~100 hands. Sometimes I think a bit of my flop aggression should be moved to the turn. Is this a good time for that or should I also aggro the turn?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

yourface · #2 10-07-2007, 03:51 PM

put villain on a range of hands that raises preflop and then raises this flop

Gurravasa · #3 10-07-2007, 03:54 PM

why get aggro at all?

Buck Naked · #4 10-07-2007, 04:05 PM

He has an extremely high flop af so I think he'd play a lot of his hands like that. Not sure I took that into consideration while playing though. I'm behind A8, KQ and maybe QT or K8 but I think I'm often good on the turn.

yourface · #5 10-07-2007, 04:11 PM

you forgot K8s, discounted 89s, QJ, Q9s, AQ, discounted KK and AA

what hands does he raise preflop and the flop with that you beat?

Buck Naked · #6 10-07-2007, 04:23 PM

Well, I did list K8 and I think he'd cap AA and KK most of the time. So pf raise a bit less than top 20% of all hands considering his position. And I think this guy could very well cap the flop with a majority of those as well.

You think I'm behind on the turn more often than not?

nutlow · #7 10-07-2007, 06:11 PM

calldown after he raises the flop

TheHip41 · #8 10-07-2007, 06:27 PM

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Well, I did list K8 and I think he'd cap AA and KK most of the time. So pf raise a bit less than top 20% of all hands considering his position. And I think this guy could very well cap the flop with a majority of those as well.

You think I'm behind on the turn more often than not?

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this is the reason good players don't cap pf with AA or KK here. You go spastic with two outs.

When he raises the flop, I think you are winning about 10% of the time.

My goal would be to get to showdown. As played, you can c/f the turn.

maniacut · #9 10-07-2007, 07:01 PM

I agree get to showdown after the flop raise but I think our chances of winning are a lot better than 10%. If you really think you're only winning about 10% of the time after the flop raise you should fold outright as calling down bets on the following streets is not going to be worth it.

TheHip41 · #10 10-07-2007, 08:34 PM

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I agree get to showdown after the flop raise but I think our chances of winning are a lot better than 10%. If you really think you're only winning about 10% of the time after the flop raise you should fold outright as calling down bets on the following streets is not going to be worth it.

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i was exagerating a bit. i like my hand enough to showdown, but 3betting here is just too much. If he has a flush draw, dont worry about giving a free card, or trying to protect against a free card, because he's going to charge himself anyway.