$4.40 180man PS SNG

[Crow1974]

Button is loose prelop from all positions.


Poker Stars, $4 + $0.40 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: 2,625
SB: 3,583
BB: 7,935
UTG: 3,845
UTG+1: 515
Hero (MP1): 2,130
MP2: 6,545
CO: 3,045

Pre-Flop: (150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 350</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls 350, 2 folds

Flop: (850) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets 425</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to 850</font>, Hero folds

Results: 1,700 Pot
BTN mucked and WON 1,700 (+925 NET)


Should I raise less preflop? Then should I make my cbet smaller for pot control reasons? Thoughts?

[Rupert]

You can get away with raising to about 275 pre rather than 350 and it pretty much does the same thing whilst keeping the pot smaller. Your play postflop looks fine to me.

[willperkins]

Preflop bet is fine, although I would have just made it t300.

Postflop: Two ways to do this:

1. Your way, make a continuation bet of half the pot and see if he folds. He doubled your bet exactly. How fast did he do that and does he do that often. He could be testing you to see if you missed the flop.

You could call his bet and check the turn and then make a decision or just fold and wait for a better spot.

Or:

Your M=9. When do the blinds go up again? You could shove, showing real strength (you raised preflop, raised post flop, and then reraised him). Even if he did have Ax, and maybe a gut shot str8 draw, do you think he would call off 1/4 of his stack?

Pretty much read dependent on his LAGgy style.

2. Check the flop and see what he does.

[Tackleberry]

I had made it 300 preflop and like 3/5 pot size on the flop. But those are marginal differences, your line is more or less standard.

Only one point is obvious - you should check yourself here: you made a c-bet of exactly half the pot. This screams "I read at Harrington that I should make a 1/2-sized bet if I didn´t hit the flop because it is optimal". Check what you´re doing if you hit the board. When I see people making this I assume most of the time that they didn´t hit the board. Maybe Villain in this spot doesn´t think this far - but others might do.

[black666]

I raise less PF (I never raise more than 3xBB unless I'm in EP in the first level). I like 2.5xBB.

On the flop I like to bet more .. around 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot. Although a 1/2 c-bet has to work only 33% of the time to be +EV, people call it more and more because it looks so weak and they get great odds on their draws.

As played good fold.

[black666]

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Your M=9. When do the blinds go up again? You could shove, showing real strength (you raised preflop, raised post flop, and then reraised him). Even if he did have Ax, and maybe a gut shot str8 draw, do you think he would call off 1/4 of his stack?

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This is terrible!!

Villain has put in half of his stack already. He is never going to fold to shove here.
Also 4/180 donkeys love their A-rag and never fold once they hit an Ace - even if the stacks were deeper.

[Tackleberry]

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Your M=9. When do the blinds go up again? You could shove, showing real strength (you raised preflop, raised post flop, and then reraised him). Even if he did have Ax, and maybe a gut shot str8 draw, do you think he would call off 1/4 of his stack?

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This is terrible!!

Villain has put in half of his stack already. He is never going to fold to shove here.
Also 4/180 donkeys love their A-rag and never fold once they hit an Ace - even if the stacks were deeper.

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QFT

[willperkins]

I stand corrected Black. My thinking was that villain auto raised exactly double hero's bet. This led me to believe he has nothing. If Hero shows strengh by raising the flop, bettting post flop and reraising villain again, would villian fold? Villian has only invested t1225 of his t7935.

However, has you pointed out, this is a 4.40 and if he does have Ax, he would more than likely call.

My bad!

[Crow1974]

Thanks,

I agree as spongy as he was I should've thought to raise less PF because usually loose players pf in these 4.40s don't really care if the bet is 2.5x or 3.5x all the same to them lol. As far as reading Harrington, no I havent, I need to though. But yes I agree that my flop bet looked weak and could be exploited. Although his mini-raise looked exactly like A-rag rather than a good ace, obviously he isnt folding. If we were both deeper and I knew he was a decent player I would've repopped him hard perhaps.

[Rupert]

With these stack sizes and that raise, I would always fold in that spot almost regardless of the player unless I had a very very specific read that I was ahead. I certainly wouldn't be shoving to push anyone off the hand because it's highly unlikely they would fold.