Stoxpoker or Cardrunners or somewhere else?

[The Bryce]

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Im mainly interested in who has the best content for microsmall stakes to upto maybe $1/2NL 6 max, as thats what I play. All the high stakes stuff is pretty lost on me tbh.

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When we were doing the StoxPoker overhaul we actually took a look at the sort of demographic that was subscribing to training sites and agreed to keep the larger part of our content lower-stakes oriented and then just go all out on the few higher stakes videos that we do. I believe about 2/3 of our NL content is 2/4 or under, you can browse the video catalog on our website (we also have free demos for each video now, as well).

[cosimaninja]

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It doesn't really matter if you can't apply to .50/1 what you learn from CTS's 25/50 video, in terms of exploiting opponents and such. What you should get from the video is his thought process on every hand, and then you can use that thought process to make your own strategy to beat your 100NL or 200NL opponents.

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and you think people could formulate a better strategy to beat the game they are playing by watching videos at the stakes they are playing or watching videos at 25 times the stakes? poker is of course very situational but watching situations in videos at 200nl and taking pieces from it and trying to apply it to similiar situations at 200nl would be far more beneficial than doing the same with 5knl videos. i think it would anyway. you think otherwise?

[Taylor Caby]

Hey Matt,
The way CR works is there are 6 new videos a week. We've been at this for 2 years now so there are about 500 total videos in our library.

We put up a low stakes cash game (200nl or lower) on mondays, MTT/SNG tues, MSNL cash on Wed (200nl-600nl) MTT/SNG on Thur, HSNL (5/10+) on Friday, and Other games (PLO, Limit Hold'em) on Saturay. Sunday's are scheduled "off" days, but we have actually been putting up videos for 7 days a week for the past couple of weeks because we are trying to eventually make that be part of the schedule.

We have a downloadable low limit hand chart, as well as low limit video series specifically designed for players who are trying to master the small stakes games before focusing on moving up.

Good luck, and honestly, you probably can't go wrong with either option. Your biggest mistake would be not taking advantage of resources that your opponents are.

Best,
tc

[snowbank]

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Sorry to rain on your parade, but there are no "lol secret strats" for small stakes games.

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yes there are

[WutRUTryin2Hit]

I am a member of both and I think they're both good choices. I don't remember what each costs, but assuming they're close and since you play NL, I'd give the nod to Cardrunners right now mostly for volume, and cause I do think they really have the best instructors for NL. The Stox guys are good, but I think GP, Aba and a couple of others are just especially good at teaching and articulating NL things. I think you'd get a lot out of either though and wouldn't regret either. Stox really seems to be moving towards branching out and having even more variety than they already did, they just added a tournament and SNG specialist (Matt Matros and Colin Moshman) I think in the last week, and I think if they keep up like that they'll be very strong in a short while. They seem to be really developing the site well.

As for specifically low limit NL, I haven't watched a ton on either site, I know fruitypro and sixpeppers videos are very good though on CR, and I think cottonseed has done some 1-2NL vids it looks like on stox, and I've enjoyed his higher limit videos.

I also think watching higher limit videos than you play is still useful, it's not like 2-4 or a bit higher stake videos are going to play insanely different from 1-2, and there are a lot of concepts in the higher limit videos worth thinking about anyway.

So, my rec. is CR, but don't rule out Stox, or just get both, you don't have to get a LOT out of a training site to make 20 bucks a month worth it, especially if you're playing 1-2NL.

[faarcyde]

Obviously the high stakes games played by Taylor and Brian won't really help a lot of us micro / small stakes guys, but I think it is important to see them to start thinking on another level. That doesn't mean you should be aggressively three betting in or out of position with 45s (<3 Jman) at NL50 and doing squeeze plays with air, but being aware of it is important I think. And they are fun to watch!

The only thing I would say that is lacking at CR right now is an authority on MTTs since ActionJeff left, although that might change since Adar joined.

-faar

[Janis N.]

I think most everybody can beat up donks so the lower stakes videos have less value.

[Mizzmazz]

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Sorry to rain on your parade, but there are no "lol secret strats" for small stakes games.

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yes there are

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Cue thread about trying to fold KK preflop with 100 BB stacks in a $0.50/$1 game?

[Mizzmazz]

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you seem to adding words to my original post. i didnt mention "secret" strats to beat games. what i was trying to convey was the fact that the top pros at cardrunners could improve peoples games in a much more superior and efficemt fashion if they made more videos to cater to their target audience and member base.

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Actually, if you watched any of the high stakes videos, you might have heard the pros' own words which are basically their existing low stakes video contributors can teach those stakes better than cts, sbrugby, GP, etc could.

I don't play anywhere near high stakes, but I do think watching the high stakes videos is valuable. I don't understand why you want to delude yourself into thinking that it would be awesome if there were six $1/2 videos a week by high stakes pros. That's absurd and I for one would cancel my membership if that's where the direction of the content went.

People want to take shots at higher stakes and understand the thinking behind the play styles and metagame that goes on at those levels. Personally, I would feel pretty gypped if GP dropped down and only did 1/2 videos.

You might be right about other sites catering to small stakes better in terms of quantity, I'm not giving any advice otherwise -- just that your idea of having the CR 'name' pros play more small stakes in videos is retarded. I stand by that statement.

GL, have fun, going to go rub one out while reading Aba's blog.

[mattnxtc]

How often does Stoxpoker make new videos?