NL25 - AQ flops TPTK, faces resistance from a passive player

thoman8r · #1 10-05-2007, 08:33 AM

Villain is 24/4/.4/60

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($21.95)
BB ($4.50)
Hero ($60.35)
MP ($30.80)
CO ($18)
Button ($25.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 4 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, MP raises to $3.5, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($9.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $8, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.35

Is this ok? Should I b/f the turn instead?

GSykes · #2 10-05-2007, 08:34 AM

With his aggro factor this is fine.

corsakh · #3 10-05-2007, 08:36 AM

What did the turn change? Either fold flop or push turn. 95% just fold flop.

bozzer · #4 10-05-2007, 09:09 AM

without any specific history between you, i would be tempted to fold the flop as it is super dry.

turn looks good.

thoman8r · #5 10-05-2007, 09:18 AM

No specific history at that point, other than I had been c-betting a lot and thought villain could be making a stand with a worse queen. Figured since he was passive I could re-evaluate on the turn.

Anyway I figured this was ok, just wanted a sanity check.

Speirsy · #6 10-05-2007, 09:24 AM

Everyone folds far too much around here

yntm3 · #7 10-05-2007, 09:33 AM

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Everyone folds far too much around here

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Then perhaps explain why you would make a case for calling/raising...

KingOtter · #8 10-05-2007, 09:33 AM

Trying to do some hand-reading, he either has an overpair (not likely due to pre-flop, but maybe) (9 combos), a set (7 combos) or two-pair (8 combos of Q9, 93 is ignored). He's not likely to raise an OESD draw.

If he'll raise the flop with KQ (8 combos) and then check the turn, that's 8 combos you're ahead vs. 24 combos you're behind, or about 1:3, and you're getting 2:7.35 pot odds. But you've got a lot of reverse implied odds if you happen to improve that would tempt you to keep calling, so it might be best to just fold the flop.

thoman8r · #9 10-05-2007, 09:38 AM

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Trying to do some hand-reading, he either has an overpair (not likely due to pre-flop, but maybe) (9 combos), a set (7 combos) or two-pair (8 combos of Q9, 93 is ignored). He's not likely to raise an OESD draw.

If he'll raise the flop with KQ (8 combos) and then check the turn, that's 8 combos you're ahead vs. 24 combos you're behind, or about 1:3, and you're getting 2:7.35 pot odds. But you've got a lot of reverse implied odds if you happen to improve that would tempt you to keep calling, so it might be best to just fold the flop.

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I actually think a lot of passive players play KK+ like this, which after the turn is basically what I had him on (I think a set bets less on the turn, but maybe not). In retrospect, I probably could have folded the flop, but it just seemed like a super-weak move.